1.6l Coldside

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

What would you guys think of a 1.6L Coldside? I think I can do it for about the same price as the other Coldside kits if there is enough interest.

Yes? No? Maybe?

[Toby Weir-Jones]

You might provoke an interest in reverse-swapping the 1.6 engine back into later cars on the basis of superior fuel economy off boost...?

Plus throttle response issues, lighter clutch/flwheels, etc etc etc.

PLUS access to cheaper donors in the first place.

What kit volume do you need to justify the initial design & manifold bits?

twj

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

If I had 10 people interested (no money needed up front, just solid honest interest) I would have it on the street in less than 6 weeks. I have spent the last two weeks covering all the bases and I can do it.

For the record, I am proceeding with it anyhow but it might take a couple months unless I see real interest.

My main incentive is that I can have CARB approval for it for the asking.

[Bill @ Fast Forward]

I think this would be too cool :biggrin:. One suggestion though, since the Coldside flows so efficiently, especially at high rpm, I think for the smaller 1.6L engine the MP45 might be a better match. Note I said MP45 and not the older M45. The MP45 revs nice and high like the MP62 and you would have the benefit of even more room for the air intake and ducting, less weight, etc. Theoretically at least :), I think the MP45 would make as much power on the 1.6 as the MP62 and it would give better lowend response.

Of course, with various mounting plates, I suppose either MP45 or MP62 could be selected perhaps :)?

Bill

[lovemx5]

CARB is not an issue for me. I like the simplicity, light weight and throttle response of a Coldside but I also like the upgrade path of a Hotside.

I'd like to see what kind of numbers each kit make before making a decision.

So it's a maybe from me. ;)

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Numbers would be very close to the same. for the same pulley and no intercooling.

[mseawell]

Tom,

I'd be interested in a coldside, but I not in the immediate market for a kit.

Mark

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Bill, too much is designed for the MP62 Coldside already. Besides, we know the MP62 makes more power easier even on the 1.6L and the upgrade for those fearless people that want more power is great. I have no interest in re-designing for the M45 or MP45 blowers at this stage. I would rather run the MP62 a little slower than run the MP45 faster. I believe the weight savings would be minimal. Cominality of inventory parts is too precious. :)

[Elphaba]

:rolleyes: Couldnt have come up with this idea a year ago huh:rolleyes:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

A year ago I was told CARB was a given for the HS. :(

[Satisaii]

Tom will probably need a tester for the coldside, and is there a better way than to test the same car with the different systems within a day or so of each other?

[lovemx5]

My main incentive is that I can have CARB approval for it for the asking.
Numbers would be very close to the same. for the same pulley and no intercooling.
Cominality of inventory parts is too precious. :)
Then maybe you should focus on the 1.6L Coldside as your main/preferred setup. You would achieve all of the above comments.

I would be happy with a 170 WHP 1.6L Coldside. :drool5:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It will be a few weeks before we are ready to test. I would be afraid to ask Dan to donate his car to test the Coldside. However, after it is done, I would be willing to swap his hotside for the Coldside if he wanted. I'm sure someone out there would love to have his hotside. :)

[Bill @ Fast Forward]

Tom, you know the 1.6r's are loving you. First a Hotside MP62 for them, now a few weeks later you are going to cast a manifold so the Coldside will bolt right up to the 1.6 head. For the last 15 years or so, it used to be the JRSC was the only blower for the 1.6. :biggrin:

Bill

[wineguy]

Wow... a lot of changes since I last posted -- been following & reading, though, and I absolutely need a SC for my 1.6 :drool5:

For a while, the FFS hotside was the only thing potentially available for me, and I assumed that it would easily receive :gun_bandana:CARB approval -- little did anyone know how those cross-over tubes could foul the air so much!

Anyway, a coldside would be really sweet, especially if CARB blesses it! I've kicked around the pros & cons of hot vs. cold, and really for the power levels desired, a coldside would fill the ticket really well. :cool:

Gosh, sometimes I wished I didn't live in Kalifornia...

[wineguy]

BTW, the hotside is using a RX7 AFM, correct? I'm assuming that for the CARB stamp of approval, the original AFM would be used -- what kind of power differences woud you anticipate because of that?

Now, for the sake of friendly discussion, assuming I knew somebody that might know somebody that might want to run an RX7 AFM on their CARB coldside, and kept the Miata AFM to swap it in every couple of years for CARB testing, what would the tuning :hammer: differences be? Just for discussions sake, of course...

Also, are their any idle issues using the RX7 AFM so far on the hotside testmonkey?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Now that we have everything running correcly, we should swap it back in and re-test with the stock AFM. I will 'assume' we will apply for CARB using the stock AFM. As it is a plug in change (2-3 minutes), it would not be unbearable to do bi-annually. :) Off hand, I would guess at 10-15WHP difference. I also would not be surprized if we couldn't correct for that with a slightly larger pulley. :) Right now he is making 155 with the 100mm pulley. I would guess about 162 with the 105mm CARB pulley or about 150~ with the stock AFM. Still not to shabby for CARB approved on a 1.6L.

I'm sure we could make tuning automatic for the AFM swap.

[magnamx-5]

The rx7 afm does not make alot of difference, most turbo guys actualy see a decrease in hp from them due to off fueling calibration. The stock afm is good for a big ole heapen hunk of hp, so long as you are around 200 whp i wouldn't worry about it as a restriction. If you decide to go higher then there are better alternatives, to help you make the power you want to make, and simplify intake plumbing. The coldside should be pretty pimp though.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan,

Bring the stock AFM Tuesday and we'll see what the difference is.

[lovemx5]

Any update? Did you try the stock AFM? Did you dyno the larger pulley? Did you make any progress on the coldside?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Any update? Did you try the stock AFM? Did you dyno the larger pulley? Did you make any progress on the coldside?

No. No. Yes. Yes. More to follow. ;)

[magnamx-5]

So far nothing has followed how bout some news buddy?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Off to tune the auto-transmission coldside this week.

Casting house is casting a blank this week we are going to test machine. If it will work, it could be soon. :) If not, it could be later. :(

[lawtuna]

Tom, would there be fitment issues for a 1600cc coldside on a RHD MX5?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I don't know yet. When we fit it into the 1.6L LHD, I think we will have a better idea. On
the 1.8L, the only problem was the clutch master cylinder. My guess is that if it fits the LHD, that will be the same issue. That is now solved.

[Elphaba]

HELLO! HEllo! Hello! ECHO! ECho! Echo! :1eye: Heh!.:tongue: Drive safe.Back from Chicago. Hope you never find yourself at the point of a squad automatic machine gun like I did/do. Miata's don't mean so much to me anymore....Just glad to draw breath... Life as a Flight Nurse sucks ass... PS: We still talking 170HP coldside for the 1.6? If not , SCREWIT! I'll just put in a 1.8 with a 99 head and call it good at 190 HP. Sorry. been drinkin. Who can blame me...:svengo:

[Elphaba]

HELLO! HEllo! Hello! ECHO! ECho! Echo! :1eye: Heh!.:tongue: Drive safe back from Chicago. Hope you never find yourself at the point of a Squad Automatic Weapon like I did/do. Miata's don't mean so much to me anymore....Just glad to draw breath... Life as a Flight Nurse sucks ASS...Especally in southern Mexico. PS: We still talking 170HP coldside for the 1.6? If not , SCREWIT! I'll just put in a 1.8 with a 99 head and call it good at 190 HP. Sorry. been drink'in. (a lot, MUCHO!) Who can blame me...IM STILL ALIVE!!:svengo:VIVA MEXICO! Or not...

[lovemx5]

Tom, any luck with the casting? It's been almost two weeks. :sweatdrop:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

New/modified castings are not the fastest things in the world to get. Might take a few more days. I should hear from them in the morning.

[richie01_1963]

New/modified castings are not the fastest things in the world to get. Might take a few more days. I should hear from them in the morning.

My 91 Sunburst would love a coldside charger. JSRC was going to be the next purchase until i stumbled on this discussion

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Maybe some words of wisdom tomorrow ?

[richie01_1963]

My 91 Sunburst would love a coldside charger. JSRC was going to be the next purchase until i stumbled on this discussion

Just to have another option other than JSRC ( Not taking nothing from their setup) would be great

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Maybe I will have some blank castings tomorrow?

[MX-Drew]

Is this the tomorrow that never comes? :biggrin:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Evidently. :( Now they are saying Monday.

[ChopSui]

Tom, just wanted to add my interest in a 1.6 Coldside. I've got a friend that might be interested as well.

Thanks!
-mike

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

If I had a proven kit, I could sell a boatload of them. Those F#$%^&*( chinese pistons will be the last hurdle to jump. We have gone back to the original engine that the M45 with BEGi AFPR did in and real Mazda pistons/rings. The engine will be as stock as it was originally. That will make the findings as close to what you or someone else would do with your stock engine.

I was by the shop today and it is almost back together. Dropped off the new oil pump. Dan's stock engine is the small diameter "Short nose?" crank. The ONLY thing I liked about the JDM engine from hell was the bigger crank nose.

[Elphaba]

:mad:Yup... http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-rebuild-kits-mazda.shtml sold me crap pistons. 2 of um cracked between rings and whats inside looks like compressed sand. I would STRONGLY advise to say well away from this source. Tom you think your camera would get a close enough pic of the "quality" of the metal in these things? ALSO TOM! We already had a brand new oil pump and water pump from the 1st rebuild of the "motor from hell" dont really think we need a second after only ~1500 miles.

[Elphaba]

Is this the tomorrow that never comes? :biggrin:
:tongue:FREE BEER (tomarrow):tongue:

[socal pat]

:tongue:FREE BEER (tomarrow):tongue:

Whoa! I almost ordered my engine parts from them. Good thing I let my builder supply my stuff including JE pistons.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Pat, I would think that if you ordered JE or other name parts form them that you would be OK.

Dan,

I will try to get a good picture of one of them and a picture of a good piston that we cracked on purpose to see the difference. When I took the piston to my aluminum casting house for analysis, Paul simply looked at it and said "Too much iron and too little manganese in the melt". He also said the casting look like a sand casting rather than a die cast part like Mazda uses.

You needed a new oil pump because the one from the eengine from hell wouldn't fit. The crank is different. Sadly, that pump cost more than the new pistons.

[Elphaba]

:surrender: WILL IT NEVER END?:svengo:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Not until the engine from hell drops into lake Havasu in a DEEP spot.

[Elphaba]

:ninja: This can be arranged:ninja:

[Elphaba]

I took the "compressed sand" pistons home as a trophy:2guns: Ill bring em next time we get together. I'll just toss one in the trunk of the mighty turbo diesel to make sure I dont forget it. Doesent matter which one cuz they both broke at the same place and look exactly the same. probabley too much crab/clam poop in that sample of sand they used.:nuke:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I will try and take pictures of it and the good piston that we broke on purpose as an example of what it SHOULD have looked like.

[Elphaba]

:party:Motors back in the car:party:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Evidently they found all the correct pulleys? Crank and alternator?

[Elphaba]

:hammer:Still working on the crank pulley.... Should be running early next week. Did you say something bout a different fuel rail?:confused:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Yes. I dropped off a prototype high flow fuel rail to use. Should make sure we don't starve one of the cylinders.

[gludlow]

Tom, take your time on that 1.6L Coldside. I got my 90 running great now, I'd be tempted to add a Coldside FFS to it and go in over my head :drool5:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Gram,

I want your money bad enough to push harder on it now. :)

[magnamx-5]

Damn Tom you guys have no luck what soever.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Luck has nothing to do with it.

[ChopSui]

Tom, any updates? there seems to be a bunch of OT/inside discussions on here so it's a little hard to follow. Last thing I could make out was that you were waiting on a casting to come back...

-mike

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Yep. Latest update. Since we have ditched the JDM engine from hell and rebuilt the original engine, we are now in search of a small crank pulley with the V-Belt for the alternator and an alternator with the V-Belt pulley (nobody knows what happened to the ones they took off???) and we are making new supercharger crank pulleys as my standard pulleys wont fit in the V-Belt version of the stock crank pulley. Different bolt holes and smaller ID.

[Elphaba]

Luck has nothing to do with it. :gnorsi: Sad but true...:gnorsi:

[magnamx-5]

I am not 100% sure but my 1.6 has a vbelt pulley on it and it i a BNC any 1.6 alternator should work for you. the crank pulley is the major thing of change here. but i could be wrong.

[gludlow]

Tom-
Does that mean you're looking for a donor car/engine on which to test? Or just those few parts?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I "think" we are down to a crank pulley and the alternator with the proper pulley.

[Bacon]

Spotted this thread while lurking. If your 1.6 coldside will make 165 - 175 hp count me in. I am a bit of a late adopter though, I usually wait until the bugs are worked out.

Can I ask how you will make this kind of power out of a 1.6 with no I/C, detonation issues from heat or aftermarket ECU? Please know I am not being a smart ass either; I've had my car since 1991, it's got an M45 and I have been out of the performance loop for a while. Thanks!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The original engine, which we should have left alone and would probably still be running today, made 175 with no problem at about 10PSI. My 1.8 is making 225 at 15PSI+ (~18PSI?). Neither are intercooled. My 1.8 now has 140,000 miles and I beat on it in Arizona heat on 91 octane, non-intercooled. E-Cool does cool the intake charge but it is not an intercooler. At least I think that is the politically correct way I am supposed to say it? ;)

Once we get a 1.6L with decent STOCK internals, I think we will either be OK or done with the 1.6L project. :) The engine is back together now. I dropped off the proper crank pulley yesterday. I now have the new supercharger crank pulleys done and off to anodize as well. They will be back about the same time as Dan gets some miles on the new stock engine.

[Satisaii]

Did you get a prototype manifold made for a coldside?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Not yet. I have been shipping a kit a day and that and keeping inventory up has kept me busy.

[Elphaba]

Well... Im hopeing the last piece of the puzzle got fixed today. ADC called and said the parts for the alternator pulley I got from Mike wont work because the shaft on the alternator leftover from the "motor from hell" was too large in diameter, and I needed to provide the correct alt. Well: Im in Havasu for a week more or less. BUT! The Phoenix neonatal crew needed my aircraft for a transport so I got "stuck" in PHX for the afternoon. I was able to borrow a car and run to :driving: ADC > Mikes place> ADC> PHX base; DONE! They now have the correct alternator and I just traded with Mike cuz he can use that alternator on a 1993:biggrin: Unfortunatly my silicone crossover piping wont work. They did have it started and the vacume sucked the damn thing flat...:taz:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

That silicone hose crossover looked real cool until they started it today. ;)

[Elphaba]

:taz: Kieth says its RUNNING!!! :taz: Will pick up Wed to try to get it to Mikes place on Thursday for a new steering rack and a couple other things. WOO HOO!

[Steve in VC]

Tom,

A kit a day!? Miata is going to lose it's girlie image if you keep this up!

Steve

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Not losing stride yet. Just had a couple from Sierra Vista drive up, take my 99 for a ride and take a kit home with them for their 96. ;)

I think I'll take Sunday off. :)

[Elphaba]

:confused: Your not gonna truy and get some sleep are you?:confused: Not allowed!

[ronlevine]

I would love one of these kits if I can get 180-200hp out of them or so and it sounds like I probably could. :)

Looks a lot simpler than the turbo setup I was thinking about.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I guess we'll see but the engine from hell has given me a bad taste for that level of power in a stock block. Hopefully it was strictly the engine from hell and all will be better now?????

Personally I think a GOOD stock 1.6L engine will make 175+. It is just that it is starting at 85-90 and I'm not sure how much past 100% it will go. I have heard stories about 300WHP on a stock 1.6L but I think they are just that. Stories. When I get to hearing details, the word "stock" seems to fade away.

[chuckerants]

I've heard you can get 300hp+ using a MS. :)I guess we'll see but the engine from hell has given me a bad taste for that level of power in a stock block. Hopefully it was strictly the engine from hell and all will be better now?????

Personally I think a GOOD stock 1.6L engine will make 175+. It is just that it is starting at 85-90 and I'm not sure how much past 100% it will go. I have heard stories about 300WHP on a stock 1.6L but I think they are just that. Stories. When I get to hearing details, the word "stock" seems to fade away.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

What size capacitor? 3 Farads? ;)


I've heard you can get 300hp+ using a MS. :)

[chuckerants]

Flux Capacitor. What size capacitor? 3 Farads? ;)

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

My neighbor has a spare one of those that came with the Back to the Future car from Universal Studios. Maybe he would let me have it?

[chuckerants]

Then you're going to need the MS to plug the flux capacitor into. Ha. I thought you engineers knew everything. ;)My neighbor has a spare one of those that came with the Back to the Future car from Universal Studios. Maybe he would let me have it?

[ronlevine]

I guess we'll see but the engine from hell has given me a bad taste for that level of power in a stock block. Hopefully it was strictly the engine from hell and all will be better now?????

Personally I think a GOOD stock 1.6L engine will make 175+. It is just that it is starting at 85-90 and I'm not sure how much past 100% it will go. I have heard stories about 300WHP on a stock 1.6L but I think they are just that. Stories. When I get to hearing details, the word "stock" seems to fade away.

I can live with 175. It is a nice round number. :)

[magnamx-5]

Tom you know as well as i do stock systems are no where near the engine failure point at 200 whp. Your JDM engine from hell coupled with alot of bad luck has been pretty shitty to say the least.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Time will tell. The engine from hell has dampened my optimism.

[chuckerants]

I'm glad I left the dyno early that day. I would have hated to witness that engine from hell going back to hell. :(

[Elphaba]

:sweatdrop: OHH. OOH. I get to pick up and mabey drive my car today!! She's "ready" Then tomarrow off to Mikes Place for a new steering rack and the dual fan mod! Unfortunatly I only have 2 days in Phoenix then its back to work for about 5 days:nopity:Sucks to be me.

[gludlow]

:taz: Kieth says its RUNNING!!! :taz: Will pick up Wed to try to get it to Mikes place on Thursday for a new steering rack and a couple other things. WOO HOO!

Sweeeeeet! Can't wait for your full report. Take TONS of pictures for the Pictures of Your Car section... I want to see what the 1.6L engine bay looks like with the Coldside kit!!

:party:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It's a hotside.

[gludlow]

It's a hotside.

Sure, dash my hopes and spirits with a misleading thread subject ;-) I guess I'll just have to wait a little longer.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can. (Old Dutch proverb) ;)

[Elphaba]

Sure, dash my hopes and spirits with a misleading thread subject ;-) I guess I'll just have to wait a little longer.:rolleyes:He's right. Time for a new thread.

[ChopSui]

Any news on the coldside?

[richie01_1963]

COLD SIDE SUPERCHARGER FOR MY 1.6 SANTA. I promise to be a good boy santa !!!

Is there any chance this wish might come true??

[minime]

Any updates on the Coldside kit? Also, will either a hotside or coldside 1.6L kit be CARB approved?

thanks,
Mike

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

If I can make a coldside 1.6L manifold out of our current casting, there will be a 1.6L Coldside and it will be CARB approved.

In any case, there will be (is) a 1.6L Hotside and I think I can CARB it but it will only be CARB for 90-93.

[lovemx5]

Any news/updates?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Roz's should ship this week.

[ROZ]

He he he
:cheers2:

[Elphaba]

:confused: He's getting a COLD SIDE???? :svengo:

[ROZ]

:taz: < I nearly pee'd myself with pictures of the test monkey's eyes exploding.....
Don't worry Dan, Tom was refering to the second part of his comments.
If I can make a coldside 1.6L manifold out of our current casting, there will be a 1.6L Coldside and it will be CARB approved.

In any case, there will be (is) a 1.6L Hotside and I think I can CARB it but it will only be CARB for 90-93.

Coldside on a RHD looks well tricky - I'm more than happy to be the second hotside 1.6L :biggrin: thanks you very much.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

My bad. That's what happens when I post from my PDA. Sorry, no Coldside for the 1.6L. We've been busy trying to make the things we know how. :)

[Elphaba]

:confused: hey ROZ... Get your kit yet :devil2:

[ROZ]

Tom's had some delays from suppliers. Just my luck. You're still the one and only
:nono:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan, got an extra DTB?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

For want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For want of a horse, the battle was lost.
For want of the battle, the war was lost.
All for the want of a nail.

[ROZ]

Sage words indeed.... :yes::yes::yes:
:yinyang:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, here's the latest. I held off reporting that they said the one missing part would not be available until Mid-November. Thought you might not like that answer. :) So we have found an easy fix and all parts will be in-house Tuesday and ship Wednesday.

The missing part was the 1.6L dummy throttle body. Turns out the 94-97 DTB will work just as well (we don't mount the IAC there anyhow) and is in stock and the parts all shipped today.

[ROZ]

eek!!!!!!
and hooray - better tell the missus now ?!?!?!

[Elphaba]

eek!!!!!!
and hooray - better tell the missus now ?!?!?!
:tongue: DUDE! You are so dead...:tongue:

[ROZ]

er... probably...:svengo:

[Steve in VC]

Stall on telling her the cost until after the install - at least you will die with a smile on your face.

My wife's main concern was that my life insurance was paid up. My first mod was a roll bar (don't want to make it too easy for her).

[Elphaba]

:) so is yours the first 1.6 kit ever to ship Roz?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It will be.

[ROZ]

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::bigg rin::biggrin:
Better clear the garage and pick up my ramps from the old folks too :shifty:

[ROZ]

5, 4, 3 .....
:party:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

All I have to do is ship Coldside kits to California, Massachussetts, Finland and Hong Kong today and your missing parts should be here in the morning tomorrow and off it goes. Been a busy weekend. :-) Good thing I'm not an 8-5 M-F company. :)

In my spare time over the weekend, I finished the software for the new microprocessor controlled YoYo. Now it can accellerate back to speed if it slows for any reason. There's :cheers2: going on here as well.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, sadly, ROZ had to cancel out at the last minute. I now have a 1.6L kit basically ready to go if anybody else wants it. Let me know.

[ROZ]

It was a very difficult decision given all the work Tom had been through, but with current personal circumstances only now being realised I couldn't go through with it. I am crushed, as I've yearned for this for some time, but also upset that I've let Tom, and to a certain extent you guys, down.

[Mark]

You didn't go and tell the wife did you? ;)

Seriously, sounds like your heart is still in it and that someday, you'll make the jump. Good luck dude!

[MX-Drew]

Sorry to hear your not joining the elite FFS owners in the UK. I was hoping to start an owners club ;)

[richie01_1963]

Well, sadly, ROZ had to cancel out at the last minute. I now have a 1.6L kit basically ready to go if anybody else wants it. Let me know.

there is a cold side 1.6 kit available ?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Hotside. I guess I replied in the wrong spot again. :( I have to stop posting from my PDA.

[Zigzag]

Tom....I am very interested in the 1.6 hotside....I can certainly abuse one in the Alabama heat AND humidity as well. Would love to be another test bed like I was for the 1.8 Coldside. We should talk.:yes:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Got your PM. I'm sure we can make a deal. :)

[richie01_1963]

Don't know if I should just pull the trigger and get Corkey's new1.6L BEGI-SSM.
Hearing nothing but great things about the new manifold the cork just designed, guess I am leaning over to the turbo side. Will there ever be a cold side SC ? If its another year off, I am going turbo.

Rich

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The hotside runs so well there will probably not be a 1.6L Coldside.

[richie01_1963]

So how do we get the hot side for my sunburst 1991 ?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Hotside we can do. Just send me an email with name, address and phone number for the card you want to use and then call me with the CC#. Allow two weeks max for shipment. We don't bill till we ship.

[richie01_1963]

Hotside we can do. Just send me an email with name, address and phone number for the card you want to use and then call me with the CC#. Allow two weeks max for shipment. We don't bill till we ship.

So whats the total for the kit. Also, do I need to beef up the clutch?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

$3500 plus shipping.

Clutch depends on how hard you start from a dead stop. If you do hard launches, the stock clutch won't hold.


So whats the total for the kit. Also, do I need to beef up the clutch?

[richie01_1963]

Well it looks like its going to happen according to the miata.net web site and BEGI's web site.

For about 2.5k you will be able to score a supercharger Cold Side for a 1.6!!

Dreams do come true if you wish hard enough

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Time will tell. Time will tell. LOTs of time will tell. :)

I am glad that you are excited about it. However, I will close this thread because we don't need a discussion of Corky's kit here. There's enough worship on mnet. God bless Corky. :)


Well it looks like its going to happen according to the miata.net web site and BEGI's web site.

For about 2.5k you will be able to score a supercharger Cold Side for a 1.6!!

Dreams do come true if you wish hard enough