Any word on the Aussy install?

[Elphaba]

Just curious. PS: I'll take that belt if you still have it. Mine still seems to be stretching.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Let me know when you are around and I will bring it up and we can test fit it.

He has received the kit but I don't think the install is under way yet.

[Saffa]

It has begun!!!!!

My car is a 1993 NA6, has 136k KM on the clock. Current performance mods include X-force 4-2-1 headers and magnaflow 2.25 cat back exhaust.

There are a few things running up to the final install of the supercharger that i will need to do though. But the entire process is underway anyway...

Here is a pic of how the charger was shipped by Tom

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3706.jpg

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3707.jpg


Yesterday I installed a new 40mm aluminum radiator with silicone hoses, flushed out the system with a radiator flush treatment on the old stock cooler just prior to the install.

Out with the Old in with the New
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3716-1.jpg

Hoses
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3699.jpg

Old one, heaps of damage to the fins down low on the cooler
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3717.jpg

Installed
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3724.jpg

Here are some pics of the trial install of the charger that i just did to see if anything needs to be moved.
Side
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3709.jpg

Front
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3727.jpg

Front close up
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3730.jpg

Back close up
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3729.jpg


As you can see i will be relocating the windshield washer reservoir, and seeing what needs to be done about getting the power steering fluid thingie (technical i know) moved

My plans for the install:

I have already got the car running with a Megasquirt PNP, this has been modded by diyautotune to run with a variable TPS. At the moment my car is just using their base tune that ships with the ECU. I have yet to install the IAT sensor so am still using the AFM.

I have got hold of an intake manifold and throttle body off of an NB6, this has a variable TPS that i will be using once i get the plugs for it and the NB IAC from a local MX5 specialist. The mainfold should bolt straight up to the engine, not to sure how the wiring up of the NB sensors will work, but i will probably leave that bit to a pro.

I have off of eBay an A/A intercooler
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/IMG_3698.jpg

gotta get hold of some piping and have some mates that can assist with
getting it all hooked up. And finally larger 370cc injectors.

Then getting it tuned nicely.

I thinks thats all for now.

[Elphaba]

WOW thats great! Updates! My computer is shot so it bight be a while till I see um...

[Elphaba]

COUGH! :devil: Heh... Hows bouts it Saffa? Get all your new horses in the 1.6L barn yet? Need to know if I'm still "alone" in the world :taz:

[Saffa]

COUGH! :devil: Heh... Hows bouts it Saffa? Get all your new horses in the 1.6L barn yet? Need to know if I'm still "alone" in the world :taz:

Elphaba, at this stage yes unfortunately you are all alone. I have some update though.

In December I took the car to get my NB intake manifold and Throttlebody installed, this included getting the sensors wired up and the IAT sensor installed and running on the megasquirt. Whilst all this was happening I also got the tuner to put in the 370cc injectors and the fuel rail that came with the FFS kit. The pod filter was also chucked on since I ditched the AFM.

There was a quick hour or so tune on the dyno so it was driveable (everything fired up first time and was running ok, but a few minor issues needed to be sorted). and managed a 89rwhp.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/Dynorunstock.jpg

This was uncorrected for atmosphere (was tuned in Toowoomba a town inland about 100kms or so and around 600metres above sea level). The guys at the shop reckoned that it would most likely be a bit more than that as they reckon their dyno is a bit more conservative than most, either way its going back to that same dyno to get installed and tuned so the results will be consistent and that is really all that matters at the end of the day.

Now in regards to the intercooling, I did have an a/a ready to go but after a bit of chat with the tuner that day I am going to get a WAIC system, either PWR or Plazmaman. These tuners have put a few a/a systems on supercharged cars and have had the owners come back and get it removed due to the whole throttled volume thing causing dramas in the daily running of the car. This has now lead to the issue of doing a coolant reroute to get some space for the W/A heat exchanger to fit across the front of the engine, ggrrrrr!!!!

Of course over the Xmas and new year I haven't exactly been saving too many of my pennies so its kinda pushed back my install date.

In the next two weeks I will be chatting to the tuner and getting this reroute (currently checking my options). Then the WAIC (once I know what size I can get) and then time for some boost:taz:

Also have insurance and registration due this month $$$:mad:

It will be happening though in the next 4-6 weeks though as in that time I will have access to another car so can leave my car at the tuners (2 hr drive away) for like a week and let them get it sorted.

Funny though.... im now wondering how long till I email Tom and ask for a larger pulley:devil:

[Skullduggery]

I was talking to Tom about installing a SC on my 92. I was considering doing a 1.8 upgrade first, mostly because I was not aware the M62 was available for the 1.6.

Though I am not yet convinced, I would like to see the numbers for this kit to understand what is possible with it, What to expect.

Thanks

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Here is the dyno we did with stock and blown. http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1214&page=5

Here is the original thread on Dan's car. http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1214&page=7

[Skullduggery]

Here is the dyno we did with stock and blown. http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1214&page=5

Here is the original thread on Dan's car. http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1214&page=7

I seen the stock dyno, but did not see the blown one.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

That link was bad. Here is the chart with stock and boost.

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=360&d=1213737018

[Skullduggery]

So @ 80 WHP improvement? I'm good with that!

And i assume as our previous discussion that we can still make further improvements with head work and so on...

Sign me up!

[Saffa]

Hi Skullduggery


My car is going up to the tuners this weekend and Im picking it up next weekend on the 21st Feb. Its going to be running with the 'stock' pulleys that Tom supplies which I think is supposed to deliver around 10psi.

I have a Water to Air intercooler also being setup on the car, as well as an upgrade clutch kit being installed. Only stuff up so far is I've ordered a Coolant reroute from BEGi (so I can fit in the WA setup in) and they never shipped me a block off plate for the front of the engine (which is apparantly now being sent to me, good thing I live on the otherside of the planet and it's gonna be a bit late). I hope this doesn't screw around too much with the intercooler install.

Anyway Expect dyno charts in just over a week.

Gregg

[Skullduggery]

Hi Skullduggery


My car is going up to the tuners this weekend and Im picking it up next weekend on the 21st Feb. Its going to be running with the 'stock' pulleys that Tom supplies which I think is supposed to deliver around 10psi.

I have a Water to Air intercooler also being setup on the car, as well as an upgrade clutch kit being installed. Only stuff up so far is I've ordered a Coolant reroute from BEGi (so I can fit in the WA setup in) and they never shipped me a block off plate for the front of the engine (which is apparantly now being sent to me, good thing I live on the otherside of the planet and it's gonna be a bit late). I hope this doesn't screw around too much with the intercooler install.

Anyway Expect dyno charts in just over a week.

Gregg

Yes please keep me posted.... Interested in if the near doubling of the stock WHP is to be expected.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Headwork is always conducive to more power if done right. More flow, less boost is words to make power by. :) More power can also be made with an A/A IC and bigger pulleys. If you have the crank pulley with the V-Belt for the alternator and 4 rib for the PS and AC, I only have the 105/65 80WHP combination. If you have the crank pulley with the 4 rib for both, I have 105 through 130 in 5mm steps as it uses my standard pulleys that I stock.

I only sell the 80WHP kit. If you want to go above that, you are in un-charted waters. You will 'probably' need bigger injectors and an A/A IC wouldn't hurt. Double stock HP on the 1.6L is as far as I want to go. :)

The kit comes with the high flow fuel rail and that helps immensely with even fuel distribution. We are running Dan's with the stock FPR but an external adjustable FPR would not be a bad idea if you go beyond 80WHP added.

What I found remarkable is that the 105/65 pulley combination on the 1.8L adds roughly 80 WHP too. As the MP62 is a positive displacement blower and the goal is to burn air and the pulley combination is the same, it just stands to reason that it is pumping the same amount of air, roughly, in both cases. The 1.6L also makes the same boost, roughly 10.5 PSI. That does seem a bit strange as I would expect a bit les flow and a bit more back pressure (boost) from the smaller engine. The 1.6L is an impressive engine. That 170WHP was on 91 octane last JULY in Arizona. We were pulling about 5* if I recall and that means about 12-15 more WHP could have been had with better fuel.

I also know that Dan has been on my case since the day AFTER we got it running for a bigger pulley. :)


So @ 80 WHP improvement? I'm good with that!

And i assume as our previous discussion that we can still make further improvements with head work and so on...

Sign me up!

[Skullduggery]

So, what's the base price for a base system and what else will I need to buy for a working system?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

$3500. $2900 if you want to do your own engine management like SAFFA.

You shouldn't need anything else to run the system. It is complete. However, it does not include items like clutch, radiator, new tires :), gauges, etc.

Kit includes MP62, 75mm Big Throttle Body, crossover tube, Dummy Throttle Body, PC-Pro engine management, E-Cool, Timing Control, High Flow Fuel Rail, brackets, etc.

[Elphaba]

:drool5: BIGGER PULLEY! Smells like victory!:stuart:

[Skullduggery]

do you have base map for a mega squirt? I could grab that first, the do the sc next

[Saffa]

do you have base map for a mega squirt? I could grab that first, the do the sc next

Skullduggery, I got an MSPNP first, it comes with a base map that will have your car running very close to normal. The MSPNP seems to be fairly big over there in the US (judging from m.net and other forums) so im sure there would be someone or maybe a shop nearby that could help you get to grips with it or do it for you.

In my case there are a few Megasquirted Mx5/miatas around in Brisbane and we have a tuner a few 100kms away that now has a bit of experiece in tuning supercharged megasquirted mx5s, which is where i dropped my car off this morning too get 'transformed':party:.

I always knew that the 1.6 was not going to be a case of get kit, put on car, drive away no matter if i went s/c or turbo. And as a result I have spent a bit of cash on the things Tom mentioned earlier in the post like a clutch, injectors, radiator just to be on the safe side, I already have headers and 2.25 inch exhaust system. Also Next on my list is bigger brakes cos im actually sh**ing myself thinking how scary it could be with these shoddy 1.6 brakes and close to double the HP. Im wondering how the stock diff will hold up as well but I guess we'll have to see.

Tom, would larger pulley's be available in the future for the v-belt and 4 rib combination? Just out of curiousity???

[Skullduggery]

Can't we just change crank pulpy and apt to use 4rib?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

We can make them any size you want. What you have now is 105mm. Let me know what size you want and I can get costs.



Tom, would larger pulley's be available in the future for the v-belt and 4 rib combination? Just out of curiousity???

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan,

You should get together with Saffa and decide on a size. It will be cheaper if I make multiples of the same size. 115mm? You will also need to go with an AFPR ($175 for a good one). You might also need to upsize the injectors? I guess we'll know that when/if we see the A/F drop off?


:drool5: BIGGER PULLEY! Smells like victory!:stuart:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan can answer that. We did that on one of the versions of his install. It was a bit of a pain as you also end up replacing the device(s) driven by the V-Belt with 4 rib pulleys or replacing the whole thing. In any case, if you do, I have all the sizes in stock.

Can't we just change crank pulpy and apt to use 4rib?

[Skullduggery]

Saffa,

So when you get your maps done, will you be willing to share them?

Tom,

Maybe you can set up a map share section on the site that will help all of us.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

How's this?

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=43

Somebody try and upload an MS file of any kind and let me know if there are any problems. I may have to modify something in admin to allow for the files to be uploaded. What is the file extension?

[MX-Drew]

This means I have to get my MS built and programmed now. :oops:

How's this?

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=43

Somebody try and upload an MS file of any kind and let me know if there are any problems. I may have to modify something in admin to allow for the files to be uploaded. What is the file extension?

[Skullduggery]

Wish I had one to upload.

The idea is that you would post all of the setting and configuration as well as what you have installed on the car.

Then you could sort thru the maps and find the closest one to your configuration and begin there. Should save a bunch in tuning costs and time.

Thanks Tom, I think this will go a long way to making things easier for the ones that select their own engine management.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

We have three people with kits and MS. Maybe one of them will upload their files. They are, however, on 1.8L engines and Coldsides. That will probably not work for you but, maybe one of them willupload the file just to see if it works. If any of you find the file extension for the MS files, let me know that and I will see if I can enable that extension inthat forum.

[Skullduggery]

Okay guys (and gals) found this site

MegaSquirtMaps.com (http://www.megasquirtmaps.com/board/index.php?) .

They have maps for all kinds of cars there, just not one entry for Mazda, huh?

They do have a ford section, and I do see 1.6 and 1.8 maps, but don't know if they are the correct ones for our cars.

I have signed up for an account and will let you all know what I find, as I find it.

I am all for the easy way to a good map, if I can find it that is...

Tom, if I should not post links to other sites, sorry...

Enjoy

[Skullduggery]

I found the base maps on MegaSquirt's site. The default file type is .msq. I tried to upload them on the other forum, but it did not accept the file type as known.

I will grab these base maps (for each unit) and upload them, maybe Tom can make those stickys on the board, then we can post the mods from there.

What do you think?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Glad to make them stickeys. Just let me know when you send them up. I will look into the file type tomorrow when I am rested. Us old guys need our 5 hours of sleep every night or we get feisty. ;)



EDIT: Well, I went up and took a look and I think it was easier than I thought before. Try it again.

[Skullduggery]

Just tried again, the file is too large to be uploaded the limits on the server are set too low.

This is the error message

MSPNP_MM9093_Base_Map_112807 - with AFM.msq:
Your file of 35.0 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 14.6 KB for this filetype.

If you change that we should be good to go and I will get them all loaded and the information posted.

[Saffa]

Lots of talkies in this thread all of a sudden, good stuff!!

One thing to be wary of with uploading the maps is that the mspnps and built from scratch ms's may be different and thus maps from one to the other may not work 100%, I'd hate to see someone spend their money on all that stuff and have it blow up or get damaged in some way, otherwise yes it would be a good start i guess to upload some tunes.

Two guys from the mx5cartalk.com (aussy) forum got their JRSC kits with MS's tuned at the same shop as me last Friday, both were pleased with the outcome. I think around 122 and 135hp were the figures, these were both 1.8s I think. Im sure there'd be a few maps floating around, but when I looked i couldn't find much.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

OK, try again.


Just tried again, the file is too large to be uploaded the limits on the server are set too low.

This is the error message

MSPNP_MM9093_Base_Map_112807 - with AFM.msq:
Your file of 35.0 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 14.6 KB for this filetype.

If you change that we should be good to go and I will get them all loaded and the information posted.

[Skullduggery]

success! I will begin the process today to get these all uploaded.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, this thread has drifted anyway. :)

Should I make a forum for MS and a separate forum for Link and another for... ?

[Skullduggery]

Well, this thread has drifted anyway. :)

Should I make a forum for MS and a separate forum for Link and another for... ?

Yea, I think I kinda hi-jacked it... Sorry about that

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Actually, I am the one who always seems to do that. Key is that this is where it started about the other forum so I thought it would be the best pklace to ask about Link, AEM, etc.

You guys let me know and I will re-adjust the new ECU forum.

[Skullduggery]

Last post on the issue, the maps are uploaded, if anyone needs them...

[Saffa]

Pics sent by tuner of the setup so far, dyno time tomorrow after sorting out a longer throttle cable to fit the kit.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/MX5_001.jpg

and
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/MX5_002.jpg

Only 2 more sleeps...........:taz::taz:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Any comments on ease of install for the kit so far? How long would you estimate it took to install and line up the blower assembly?

Nice clean look, by the way. :)

[Saffa]

Any comments on ease of install for the kit so far? How long would you estimate it took to install and line up the blower assembly?

Nice clean look, by the way. :)
Hi Tom

There were a few issues that needed to be resolved with the kit, I will have a chat to the guys tomorrow and try get some feedback for you. I suspected the throttle cable would be an issue from what I had read previously on the internet.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Let me know. We could add the US throttle cable in the RHD kits.

[Saffa]

I thought that was the US throttle cable? Either way some local guys have found that the b2600 series ute (pickup) has a good length throttle cable for us RHD guys. I'll tell you what I find out.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I forgot about that. I did supply a USA cable. Well, let me know what needs to be done.

[Saffa]

Still no car, the tuner had alignment issues and the belt kept slipping off on Friday they said it could be ready by Saturday but were hesitant to say if the tune could be at 100%. Spoke again on Saturday to give me an update, it was pulling 140hp they reckon they could possibly get another 10hp out of it before the end of the day and are going to live with the car for a few days to sort out any idle issues or flat spots they can pick up on in a daily driving situation.

Soooooooooooooooooo......at this stage its looking like a Wednesday afternoon pickup. Othrewise the guys are quite happy with the setup, WAIC setup is pretty good they reckon, have made a few slow long pulls under boost and no real increase in intake temp is what I've been told. As this is on the same Dyno that I had the car on in December so far at 140hp im seeing an increase of 50hp at the wheels. Final results soon.....I hope:sweatdrop:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Curious. What kind of dyno and did they do a baseline run unboosted? If not, ask them to remove the belt and tie the bypass open and make a run. Not quite the same as stock but very close. Curious about the gain. 140/150 seems low.

[magnamx-5]

50 whp what kinda amaciated hp did u start with what kind of timing are they running there? Sounds like ur mechanic doesnt trust himself to get hp out of your shit. The blower and a well running 1.6 can make so much more hp than that with ease.

[Saffa]

Curious. What kind of dyno and did they do a baseline run unboosted? If not, ask them to remove the belt and tie the bypass open and make a run. Not quite the same as stock but very close. Curious about the gain. 140/150 seems low.

Same dyno that I ran on in December with a quick tune on the MSPNP, pulled in 89rwhp (uncorrected), gain is at 50hp right now, but they are not done tuning so I'll see what the final figures are.

50 whp what kinda amaciated hp did u start with what kind of timing are they running there? Sounds like ur mechanic doesnt trust himself to get hp out of your shit. The blower and a well running 1.6 can make so much more hp than that with ease.

No idea on the timing magnamx, car is 200kms away right now, so I'll be back with a chart in a few days, I hope.

[Saffa]

Final figures of 152hp uncorrected, if they turned on correction they reckon they'd be seeing over the 170ish mark, only real issue is the idle which I think is being caused by the fact that I swapped idle valves to the NB.

Going up tomorrow afternoon to get it........:driving:

[Saffa]

Results are in Tom:party:

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/Dyno04-03-09.jpg

More details to come tomorrow!!!!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

let me know if you want the bracket for the other idle control valve.

That is pretty good numbers. I would guess about 10% to correct to a DynoJet and that would put it right at 170 like Dan's.

[Saffa]

Yeah

Dans was 160whp uncorrected, so all in all very close. I guess the main thing is the increase over the NA run on the same Dyno in December, 65hp increase over that so. Doing some more driving tonight, my friend took a video last night of an acceleration run and it sounds awesome.

[magnamx-5]

i hope u enjoy it man GL. And post some specs on how they set u up etc.

[Saffa]

Here are some pics of the setup...

Main Pic of engine bay
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC001.jpg

Welding up from blower to intercooler
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC014.jpg

Out of Intercooler to intake Manifold (sorry about pic quality)
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC021.jpg

Bling Intercooler (Plazmaman 500hp)
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC023.jpg

Intercooler Radiator. Size 470mmx300mm core
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC027.jpg

Intake Piping run by TAS Performance and WAIC filler piping
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC003.jpg

Coolant Fix by TAS Performance, instead of the coolant reroute from Begi
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC002.jpg

Throttle Cable and mounting bracket mods by TAS Performance, cable is from a Ford Falcon which was modded
http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp357/saffa83/FFSMP62KitandPlazmamanWAIC010.jpg

After driving 150kms back from the Tuner to home, the intercooler was still cool to the touch. They were very impressed with how cool the charge was kept by that setup, these guys usually deal with PWR Barrel intercoolers and have found this easier to work with and it provides better performance.

They were also impressed with the power generated by the FFS kit, they have done a few JRSC kits and so far this one blows them all away in the power stakes.:yes:

[Gman7007]

Sweet Setup :drool5:

Jose

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Nice job. Welds look great.

[Elphaba]

:devil: werd ya git that intercooler boy?:devil: looks nice!!! Me likey! Would love to know what pre and post IC temps are like and what your heat soak on the ICs radiator is like. Its summer down there right?

[magnamx-5]

Why not do the coolant reroute? What they did just routes it out of your way and has no benefit from what i can see.

[Saffa]

:devil: werd ya git that intercooler boy?:devil: looks nice!!! Me likey! Would love to know what pre and post IC temps are like and what your heat soak on the ICs radiator is like. Its summer down there right?

Elphaba, it is pretty much end of summer here now, the kit is from a company in Sydney, Plazmaman.com ; my laptop is getting fixed right now but should have it this week and I can get the intake temps off of the MS tuning software. Can't get pre and post IC temps though, but the piping going in is too hot to touch, while on the intake manifold side it is warm and I can actually hold on to it without getting burnt.

The IC kit shipped with a radiator fan that the tuners didn't install as in all the dyno runs, and driving around they did they didn't find an issue with intake temps increasing massively to warrant its install. The fans from the radiator are still creating a bit of flow through the IC radiator though anyway. If need be I can still attach it to the front of the IC radiator and have it suck in air that way though so come next summer I'll see how it goes.

let me know if you want the bracket for the other idle control valve.

Thanks Tom, I may look at that down the track. The only idle issue I have at the moment is on cold start up's; I need to catch the idle with the throttle otherwise it stalls, need to hold revs at 1500 for around 10-15 seconds and then its fine. The Tuners had similar issues with the JRSC 1.8's that were up there a week before my install started (all running MSPNP's), I have spoken with one of the owners of those cars and they are going to try sort out the issue themselves, we'll see how they go.

In terms of driveability the only issue I have is with the throttle setup. If you see the pic in my previous post the angle of the cable and where it attaches to the throttle mechanism means its quite difficult to engage the throttle in a linear fashion. So at times I look like a learner driver pulling away from lights other times im blasting away from them. Once the throttle opens up its fine, but that initial engagement is quite tricky, even the guys who lived with the car for a few days reckons it was tough to drive smoothly due to that. Im seeing what can be done about this will let you know how the problem is solved.

Took the car for a blast up some mountains yesterday, was a bit tame on the drive up the first side untill I got used to the power. Coming back up the other side it was amazing having so much torque and power on tap. It seems like someone moved the corners closer together:driving: And blasting up hills is just sooo easy now, the car has been transformed completely:taz:

Why not do the coolant reroute? What they did just routes it out of your way and has no benefit from what i can see.

Magnamx, the primary purpose for me installing the reroute was to create space for the WAIC to sit, everything else (supposed better cooling etc.) was a secondary benefit (maybe if I was running crazy boost and making massive hp then I'd consider it again). The tuners also thought that the quality of the kit was not up to scratch (putting it politely), also installing it is not the easiest thing to do, considering it only comes with a few pics of how to set it up, and those pics are from an engine that is out of the car (install time is 4 hours if you know what your doing).

Im more than happy with how they fabricated the coolant lines though, I have seen some of these guys previous work, they know their stuff and I trust their judgement on this one to not install the kit.

[magnamx-5]

ROFL a retarded monkey could do the install man simply using a spacer to move a water line up does not adress the issue of inadiquate water flow to the back of the head wich could lead to higher temps in cylinder number 4 and a plethera of other problems. Hence i would not call that a reroute more a shim job. I dunno i think u are giving ur mechanics abit to much praise is all man. When you have been into the guts of a miata as many times as i and my copatriots have the simple act of adding a turbo or SC is just that bolt it on make it all fit and work and enjoy. If all they had to do was shim something to make it right then i say Tom did a bang on job with the kit. For the sake of your car i would get more aquainted with how the shit u have works to save yourself possible headache in the future. Just incase murphy comes knocking heaven forbid. An ounce of knowledge and experience is worth a ton of greif, and cash.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Please keep the comments civil and constructive.

[Saffa]

ROFL a retarded monkey could do the install man simply using a spacer to move a water line up does not adress the issue of inadiquate water flow to the back of the head wich could lead to higher temps in cylinder number 4 and a plethera of other problems. Hence i would not call that a reroute more a shim job.

Yeah maybe reroute was the wrong word to use for what was done. The only reason for me getting the kit was to create space for the WAIC. Either way its all in and running sweet:)

[magnamx-5]

No news is good news :D Tom when have i ever not been constructive man? I just probed abit to make sure he had realy checked his car out to the utmost of his satisfaction. I know if i marketed a product i would want to be sure all of my customers where thoroughly satisfied with the product. You have shown this via many hours and days of driving to help people with varius little issues but the vallue of close scrutiny and overall tough questioning is not to be overlooked. I am not implying that u have flaws in the products but further discussion would certianly go along way towards helping the peace of mind of future buyers.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It wasn't the question or comment but the words used. I never shy away from questions about my product. We always want to know what we can do to make it better. His cooling re-route had nothing to do with my product. I just thought it a bit coarse to say that a retarded monkey could do better.

[magnamx-5]

Ahh rofl well in my original context i said a retarded monkey can install a SC especialy one designed as well as yours. A caorse joke i agree but still me trying to lighten the mood.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

No problem then. Maybe I just took it wrong? :cheers2: