Little help would be great

[down_hill_dog]

I know most of you browse the BRP boards aswell, but if you do not... little help???? please?

http://brpforum.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/37960994/m/6311082152

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I highly recommend going away from the BKR6E. A set of BKR7EIX or BKR8EIX plugs would do wonders with your setup. Is your system powered by an ELF or JRPC?

If boost is up and power down and the fuel is rich and you have ping, a plugged cat is a real possibility. Best way to determine that is runs on a dyno with and without the mid pipe connected. More than 5-6WHP difference is signs of a cat starting to go south. We had one here with around 25WHP loss, ping, high boost and rich fuel. Replaced the cat and all of that went away. You say it was ~196 and now feels a LOT lower and has ping. Sounds like the right place to look.

Hope that helps for a start. Everybody please step in and help him.

PS: If anybody else goes and reads that thread on that other board you will be banned. :) Just kidding of course. :lol:

[down_hill_dog]

do you actually think that the 7's or 8's would make a noticeable difference?

I was browsing the boards today and many members reccomended going with the 6's because they are one heat range colder. This is the first time I had changed the plugs in the car since I bought it, and in the car were a set on NGK V-power 5 heat ranges gapped to .050! If you strongly suggest to go colder yet to help cure my problems, i will try that.

I have a funny suspicion I also got a bad tank of gas out of the pumps this go around, because my problems have never been THIS severe until last time I filled up.

From what I'm told the car is running on a jackson racing powercard, which chip is in the card... I am not sure, as i'm not sure where the JR unit is!

I said the previous owner *SAID* that he dynoed 196 whp without ping on the smaller 72.5 mm pulley. I'm having a hard time just getting it to stop pinging on the bigger (less boost) nose pulley let alone make anywhere NEAR that power.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The BKR5E or 6E has a tip diameter of roughly .100" and is made of steel. It gets hot quick and cools slowly. It has a cross section of 0.01 square inches. Platinum plugs are around 0.044 diameter, get hot real fast but have little thermal capacity so they cool quickly. It has a cross section of 0.002 square inches. That equates to 1/5 the mass of the standard plug so it's cool down time is significantly faster than the steel. The Iridium plugs have a diameter of 0.028" and a cross section of 0.00075 square inches. Iridium, like platinum heats quick and cools very fast. It's mass is 1/13 of the mass of the standard plug tip. That is why it helps. We use the BKR7EIX plugs in the 94-00 and BKR8EIX in the 01-05. I highly recommend you start there. The higher the WHP, the more critical the plugs are.

They are expensive but worth every penny.

The gap should be around 0.030 to 0.035 (max). The EIX plugs come that way.

[down_hill_dog]

Tom, your help is awesome. Your responses are speedy and very informative. Anything in the future that I have to purchase for my kit, I will through you!

I am in the process of having an a/a IC built, I will also try the colder iridium plugs and hopefully me and the car will come to some kind of agreement soon! I'll let you know what happens after I hit the dyno, at this point i don't think I have any other questions.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

You are certainly welcome. If you need help in a hurry, the number listed for the company is my cell phone. Quickest way to get my attention is to text to the phone number.

[Serpico]

Yes, Tom is VERY helpful!!! He spent a good 30 minutes with me on the phone today . I wanted to order an E-Cool for my Hotside setup , but before Tom would take my money, he suggested that I first just buy some BKR-8EIX plugs to see if they would help my situation.

Tom, I ordered the plugs and they should be here on Saturday.


And yes, from now on if I need something I will get it from Tom or Gary!

Thanks again!

S.

[down_hill_dog]

serpico, let me know how the plugs turn out! I would love to decrease ping!!!!

The guys at brp suggested the BK6RE plugs gapped to .035 that I just put in, and I am not ready to throw them in the garbage yet after one day.

Just seems like I could have given that money to a homeless person for drug money and have it put to better use.

[Serpico]

Tom,

Thanks a bunch for sending me your old powercard to try. I will try to schedule a dyno day and see how it goes. If the power card has a female connector on it like the elf does, I will do back to back runs (with some cool down time in between runs) and post the results.

Thanks again for your time and lightning fast responses!!!!

S.

P.S. If I grow up, do I have to take the Supercharger off???? :P

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I think it has the correct ends. If not, you are welcome to cut them and replace. Good luck.

[Kelly]

Tom,

Thanks a bunch for sending me your old powercard to try. I will try to schedule a dyno day and see how it goes. If the power card has a female connector on it like the elf does, I will do back to back runs (with some cool down time in between runs) and post the results.

Thanks again for your time and lightning fast responses!!!!

S.

P.S. If I grow up, do I have to take the Supercharger off???? :P






If you have the ELF harness soldered in, just fit the raw wires from the Powercard into the corresponding wires on the ELF harness and wrap it with electrical tape to make sure wires don't slip out. Powercard works fine this way.

[Serpico]

Does the Powercard have a built in O2 clamp?

I don't have it enabled on my Elf. BRP recommends against hooking it up on the 99's and later engines.

Could that be part of the problem or does the O2 clamp only have to do with lower rpms?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

No O2 clamp in the JR-PC. It's major job in life is to make the transition from vacuum to boost a smooth transition. It has no effect on WOT fuel. At that point, the ECU is in it's open loop mode and simply uses look up tables in place of O2, TPS, MAF, etc.

[Serpico]

Man, you're fast !!!! Thanks.

I pulled my Walbro last night and replaced the OEM clips on the rubber fuel line between the pump and hard tubing with SS hose clamps.
The OEM ones were probably OK, but I just wanted to do something that MIGHT help a little....

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

See, and you thought those other people were exaggerating when they said I respond fast. ;)

Now all I have to do is box your JRPC.

[down_hill_dog]

Keep us updated as to what helps better than others.

Did some poking around the car today, and i'm still baffled as to what could be creating such terrible ping on such a modest setup!

How do you go about checking static timing on the 01+ cars, I have a feeling it could be right out to lunch

[down_hill_dog]

Picked up a set of the BKR8EIX plugs today and Redline water wetter aswell. Hopefully this helps some! *crosses fingers*

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I run the 8EIX in the 05 and it runs sweet. I ship the 8EIX with all 01-05 kits. The 05 is at ~195WHP. Should work for you. Fingers and legs crossed.

[down_hill_dog]

Thanks Tom, if it does help the smaller 72.5 mm 4 rib will be going on and i'll be looking for an e-cool system as... i'm addicted to the hp's :D

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

If it was mine, the next thing would be the 6 rib and auto-tensioner conversion to get rid of the slippage problems.

[down_hill_dog]

to be honest though tom, maybe I got lucky... i'm not experiencing ANY belt slippage problems and my p/s always works flawlessly with how little the 4 rib actually runs on that pulley.

I put in the BKR8EIX plugs today and they did help, I also put took a bunch of antifreeze out and put in one bottle of water wetter and topped it up with water. The previous owner must have thought STRAIGHT antifreeze would be a good idea, as my antifreeze tester said it was good to -52* C or -60*+ F.

This is what my reccomended by the brp website BKR6E's looked like after 4 days.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/down_hill_dog/e3ae2159.jpg
I'm running THAT much octane booster, and it was still pinging on a completely stock car with the JRPC, J&S set higher than I wanted and in cool canadian climate. I think I got a REAL bad tank of gas, as
I only started noticing it since around last time I filled up.