PC Pro and Turbos? [Archive] - Fast Forward Superchargers

ThomS

12-26-2006, 07:23 AM

I would let you try on my MSM but I am not in your town. Not sure how the stock turbo is set up. But then I not sure how any car is set up.
Hope you guys had a good holiday and a better year to come.

Tom @ Fast Forward

12-26-2006, 07:40 AM

Thanks for the offer but I need an after market turbo setup. The MSM is rich and the PC-Pro can't pull fuel. I need an FMII setup or similar.

ThomS

12-26-2006, 09:03 AM

Thanks for the offer but I need an after market turbo setup. The MSM is rich and the PC-Pro can't pull fuel. I need an FMII setup or similar.

Welcome. Not sure what you needed and too far away anyway.

Tom @ Fast Forward

12-26-2006, 09:15 AM

Too far away? Phoenix to Cleveland is barely a day trip. ;)

ThomS

12-28-2006, 04:33 PM

Too far away? Phoenix to Cleveland is barely a day trip. ;)

Oh yes Now I remember for you it was 36 hours. But you are special. Not many people can travel that many miles in that short of time. Can't wait to run my coldside again..

RMDVRACER

01-04-2007, 03:29 AM

Hi Tom,

Please let me know if you test one on a turbo setup and how well it works. I am looking for something similar for my 1990 with a Greddy Turbo. Right now I have a Bipes, Bosch Bov, Intercooler, and boost controller and I think my next step is more fuel to turn the boost up a little more. I have been reading around in other forums and it appears that a lot of people are in the same boat. Looking for solution other then E-manage or Link

Thanks,

Sean S.

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-04-2007, 05:51 AM

I am still looking for a turbo (late model 99+), preferably in the Phoenix area, who would let me test it on his car. If it works as great as I think it will, it is his for free for letting me test it on his car. If not, I will remove it. If there is one out there or a turbo forum someplace that someone can post this, let me know.

brad

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

I have a 2001 FM Voodoo turbo kit, I would try it but I'm in chattanooga tn

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-09-2007, 11:26 AM

What is your current fuel csard?

bsmith40

01-09-2007, 12:20 PM

I have a 99 with an FM Voodoo2 kit. Using the voodoo box to control fuel. I am not completely satisfied with the voodoo box and would be interested in trying something else. I am not close to you though. I am in Cincinnati, OH. Let me know if you are interested in using my car to test.

Bret

brad

01-09-2007, 12:40 PM

What is your current fuel csard?

Voodoo card, let me know if we can work something out.

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-09-2007, 01:39 PM

Brad, you got there first. Please email me your name, address and phone number. Also note that it is a 2001. I will send out the PC-Pro in a couple days. I 'assume' that the Voodoo card is easily removable?

Run the PC-Pro for a couple weeks. If it doesn't work out, send it back. This is uncharted water for me so, when you plug it in, call me. Do you have an A/F meter and boost gauge?

brad

01-09-2007, 09:58 PM

Email sent.

Thanks
Brad

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-10-2007, 07:17 AM

Email received. It'll go out tomorrow.

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-12-2007, 10:25 AM

Brad,

It is on it's way. If it doesn't work well, send it back. :)

I emailed you the tracking number.

brad

01-12-2007, 10:43 PM

Thank you for the generosity. Do you have any predictions?

Tom @ Fast Forward

01-13-2007, 06:20 AM

I predict it will work. ;-)

sq_creations

02-02-2007, 10:48 PM

99 miata diy turbo. just ordered mine today. Ill let you guys know how it goes.

brad

02-04-2007, 10:56 PM

I predict it will work. ;-)

And yes it does. I'm still trying to get some info together but with cold weather and snow.. its held me back.

Tom @ Fast Forward

02-05-2007, 06:24 AM

Snow? What's that? You let a few feet of snow stand between you and testing the turbo? :)

brad

02-05-2007, 07:58 AM

Its kinda hard to test when you can't get any traction lol. :cool:

Tom @ Fast Forward

02-05-2007, 08:22 AM

The PC-Pro without harness is considerably cheaper than the Voodoo box too. You should easily be able to recover what the PC-Pro cost you. ;)

sq_creations

02-16-2007, 03:30 PM

I got everything together finally. I was trying to track down a exhaust leak that was pleaging me. The car pulls really hard. I hit 8~9 psi from 2800rpm a holds to redline. I have the power card pro A little on the rich side for safety mostly in the 11's. I ended up setting to: green 3, yellow 5, red 6, y/p 4.5, & r/p 1. The only thing i have noticed and maybe you have some input tom. When I boost at light throttle It will dip to low 10s afr. It was pegging my meter at first. If I pull tomuch out of green it will run lean at WOT. Im am very happy with the performance over all though!!

Here are some pictures and details on my setup:

http://sqc.streetracing.org/miata/miataturbo1.jpg

http://sqc.streetracing.org/miata/miataturbo2.jpg

My Mihawta (http://www.sqc.streetracing.org/onlyontuesdays/miata.html)

Its a Diy setup with a chrysler 13b turbo, 2.5 turbo back exhaust, 31X6X3 FMIC, Autometer Gauges, Lc1 Wideband o2, PC Pro. I would also like to add that i have no check engine lights (which I had with emanage).

FormerDatsun510Man

02-16-2007, 05:10 PM

Neat! Are you running just the stock injectors? Or do you also have an extra injector?

Bill

Tom @ Fast Forward

02-17-2007, 07:17 AM

If you get an opportunity to make down this way, I would love to put it on a dyno and tune it. Probably the difference is that the instant response is a bit different for your turbo than what I programmed for the Supercharger.

sq_creations

02-19-2007, 09:59 AM

thanks tom. Im not sure when Ill be able to get out there though. I had a lot of fun at a local auto x this weekend. I really need some stickier rubber. lol. I bit to much power for my crappy tires.

brad

03-21-2007, 03:46 PM

Tom my car is still running great!! THANKS:angel:

Tom @ Fast Forward

03-21-2007, 08:23 PM

Of course. :)

Tamburello

04-19-2007, 07:15 PM

This is good to see. Could save much green with PC pro instead of other fueling systems.

Tom @ Fast Forward

04-19-2007, 07:21 PM

So far, it has worked extremely well on all applications.

SoOSpEcMx5

04-19-2007, 11:42 PM

I would love to see dyno numbers on the PC-Pro.

I have FM's voodoo turbo and voodoo card. So far I maxed it out and put out 191hp and 168tq with the voodoo card.

Do you think the pc-pro will do better? Some how the pc-pro is swaying me away from the voodoo card for some reason.

More info on the voodoo dyno:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=228430

brad

04-20-2007, 12:08 AM

The butt dyno felt more power and better driveabilty. In my case.

Tom @ Fast Forward

04-20-2007, 08:10 AM

SoSpec,

I could make you the same offer I made the other FM turbo guys. You buy the PC-Pro and, if you don't like it, send it back for a full refund. It is easy for me to make that offer. Only two people ever sent one back for a refund and one of those turned around and bought a full Coldside kit. ;) We have now shipped 107 PC-Pros with 107 successes.

If your VooDoo card is making a great AF curve, it will be hard for the PC-Pro to make more power. What it will give you for sure is better driveability. Your curve appears to show above 14:1 to over 5500 RPM. That would worry me.

SoOSpEcMx5

04-20-2007, 07:25 PM

You have a pm.

SkiZero

05-14-2008, 05:49 AM

Going to Rez this older thread...

I'm running the FMII kit on my '99 Sport with the TC/PC-PRO combo. Right now, I have my settings at G=0, Y=0, R=0, Y/B 6, R/B 2.5. Right now, as soon as the car senses any load, the PC-PRO kicks in and my AFR's drop into the 10's. That's in second gear starting from a low RPM pull, around 2k or so start. When I hit 3rd gear, my AFR's get into about 12-12.5 and the same for 4th gear. So, I'm guessing that I need to add a few points to the Yellow and Red to bring down the AFR's in that RPM band.

I guess I'll keep updating this thread as I try different things out to get everything lined out right. This way we can have a turbo install on file for others to go from. I used the one on the previous page to get me to where I'm at now and the car felt so much smoother yesterday when I drove it.

I also have a full 8° of timing pulled in the R, Y, G areas on the TC.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the ease of use/setup of this combo and it was EXACTLY what I was looking for! I'm not ready for, nor do I have the time for a full standalone...

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-14-2008, 09:05 AM

I think you only need to add a light to the Yellow/Blue and leave the rest alone.

When second gear revs out, does it get richer, leaner or stay the same?

SkiZero

05-14-2008, 01:23 PM

I think you only need to add a light to the Yellow/Blue and leave the rest alone.

When second gear revs out, does it get richer, leaner or stay the same?

Gets leaner...

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-14-2008, 02:32 PM

Yel/Blue should cure both problems.

SkiZero

05-14-2008, 04:14 PM

Yel/Blue should cure both problems.

So leave everything set to zero, set R/B at 2.5 and move Y/B to 7 then? Did I read that right?

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-14-2008, 05:16 PM

That would be my choice for the next step.

SkiZero

05-14-2008, 05:37 PM

That would be my choice for the next step.

Here's a question for you....when I scroll through the mode button, I get the following color choices.... G, Y, R, B/G, B/Y, B/R. What's the B/G for?

sv650_ck

05-14-2008, 05:58 PM

Overall, I'm very pleased with the ease of use/setup of this combo and it was EXACTLY what I was looking for! I'm not ready for, nor do I have the time for a full standalone...

SZ,
On a side note - did you have something before the PC Pro? Any driveability issues other that what you posted? I'm looking for something better for my turbo system.

SkiZero

05-14-2008, 06:07 PM

SZ,
On a side note - did you have something before the PC Pro? Any driveability issues other that what you posted? I'm looking for something better for my turbo system.

Nope, didn't run anything else besides this. I installed this along with a "No Electronics" FMII Kit from Flyin' Miata.

I like running the TC with this setup cause on the '99's FM includes a timing wheel with the kit that retards your overall base timing by 6°. This way, running the TC, I get to keep the base 10° from the start and retard only when I'm on boost. Kinda makes me happy!

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-14-2008, 08:05 PM

G/B should help you fatten up the fuel if needed. I think you will be fine with adjusting the Y/B. Go to 8 if you have to.

SkiZero

05-15-2008, 09:52 AM

G/B should help you fatten up the fuel if needed. I think you will be fine with adjusting the Y/B. Go to 8 if you have to.

I upped Y/B to 7 this morning and left R/B at 2. Seemed to be running a little fat below 4500. When I got up into the 6lb boost range and around 5000 it started to lean out some more. Got to about 13.2AFR when I shifted to 4th, then the same thing, a little fat around 4k, but leaned out to 13.2 or so at the top of 4th. Only running about 6lbs of boost.

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-15-2008, 10:59 AM

Earlier when you said "When I hit 3rd gear, my AFR's get into about 12-12.5" I 'assumed' (bad ) that you meant it started out rich and got to 12-12.5 as it approached redline. I mis-understood. Never assume.

Before you changed the Y/B from 6-7, what was 3rd gear from 3000 to redline?

SkiZero

05-15-2008, 11:13 AM

I believe it would start out around 11ish and as I got closer to redline it would come up to about 13ish...

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-15-2008, 11:27 AM

Try running the R/B to 8 and tell me what happens. Leave the Y/B on 7.

I'm still confused then? Where was the 12-12.5?

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 05:48 AM

Try running the R/B to 8 and tell me what happens. Leave the Y/B on 7.

I'm still confused then? Where was the 12-12.5?

Going to try it on my way home from work this morning. I'll let you know.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 07:22 AM

Here's what I have right now....

G=2
Y=8
R=8
Y/B=8
R/B=7
G/B=1

My AFR's are hanging out around the 12.3-13.1 range, WOT 8lbs boost.

TC is a full 8 in all ranges.

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 07:49 AM

It almost sounds like the PC-Pro is not seeing all the boost. Where is the boost line connected? Where is your boost gauge connected? When you have WOT, stop when the A/F gets leaner than 12.5. Don't damage the engine.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 08:33 AM

Boost for the PC Pro is tapped on the top nipple right behind the TB. Boost gauge is Tapped at the back nipple on the Intake manifold.

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 08:58 AM

Can you move the PC-Pro to the same nipple as the boost gauge? Use a tee.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 09:45 AM

What's the best way to connect that hard line like that? The Way I had it was the line coming from the PC Pro into a 1/8" ID Vaccuum line, fit uber snug, then I sinched a zip tie down on top of it as tight as I could get it. The fit was really tight and took a mild amount of effort to disconnect. Is this type of connection okay, or should I try something else?

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 10:05 AM

Yes. Pushing the hard line inside a piece of 1/8" vacuum line is the best way to do it. The tie wrap is also a good idea. If you put a little saliva on the hard line before you try to slide it into the vacuum hose, it will slide in easier and then stick really well when the saliva dries.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 10:07 AM

Ok, that's what I had done.....I'm gonna replace that vaccuum line and then move it to where the boost gauge is tapped. I'll let you know more later after I have the chance to drive it again.

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 11:17 AM

If you read this thread, it is where I am headed.

http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=553&highlight=vacuum

This was a common problem and the symptoms were very close to yours.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 11:23 AM

I got to thinking about that earlier...that maybe I was pushing too much air in that space and it was so close to the TB that not enough of it was making it into that hole, thus not feeding the cards right.

I thought it was odd today when I was watching the cards that it would add a bunch of fuel under partial throttle, then taper off kind of quick the harder I got into the pedal.

This thread seems to be working out well for the both of us! Me, I get my car running right, and for you....the General Pop here gets to see an actual Turbo install get the kinks worked out of it and lends more people to your door! :D

I love mutually beneficial things!!!

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 05:33 PM

We saw that make all the difference in the world with the Hotsides.

SkiZero

05-16-2008, 07:20 PM

Now if I can just solve this damn exhaust leak! Stupid EGR tube!

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-16-2008, 09:04 PM

What altitude are you at? Seriously, I have good reason to ask in reference to the EGR. :)

Now if I can just solve this damn exhaust leak! Stupid EGR tube!

SkiZero

05-17-2008, 05:14 AM

335' ASL, why?

SkiZero

05-17-2008, 06:48 AM

Alright, I didn't change any of the settings on the card and had the chance to drive it this morning. Noticible difference on light throttle applications, and holds a 12.1-12.3 AFR to redline in second gear. In third gear the closer I get to redline, above 5k or so, it starts leaning out again to about 13 or so. Same thing in 4th gear. When I'm in 5th gear, I can just floor it and the AFR's don't go above 13. So, I'm confused....

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-17-2008, 08:01 AM

Set the Green/Blue on 4.

SkiZero

05-17-2008, 08:41 AM

K, I'll give it a shot.

SkiZero

05-18-2008, 08:48 AM

Got the chance to open her up on the way home this morning....highest AFR I saw was 12.7, that was at the very top of 3rd gear going into 4th....4th and 5th gear WOT highest AFR was 12.2 or so. Don't quite remember. Down low though, I'm running uber fat, so I'm going to slowly start decreasing the lights in the G,Y,R sections and see if that helps out. Or should I start with the B/Y first?

But the B/G lights set to 4 did the trick!! Car doesn't feel really strong like it did before, cause I"m not running so lean, but it's alot safer now, stupid fat, but once I get that all backed out and set right, I should be RIGHT where I want to be!

I'm so stoked!

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-18-2008, 10:47 AM

Yes. Set G and Y to 0. That should help the bottom end.

The defaults, as shipped, were g, y, r = 0. G/B, Y/B and R/B were set to 4. Might be a good time to go back to those and see how they do?

SkiZero

05-18-2008, 01:57 PM

Rog...I'll go put those settings back in when the car cools down. It's Frakin' HOT here in Arkansas today!

SkiZero

05-19-2008, 06:57 AM

KK, reset everything back to the settings you shipped it with and this morning it was dumping fuel like mad. Anytime I would even touch the gas my AFR's would go to 10.0. But here's a question though....it was stupid humid this morning, would that have had any effect on the PC-PRO? I even went so far as to set everything to 0 on the drive it and it was still doing the same thing, dumping straight to 10.0. Granted, when the boost came on, it would eventually come back up into the 11's and 12's, but the car was bucking due to the sheer amount of fuel it was getting....didn't like it at all...

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-19-2008, 07:46 AM

When you start the car, do you give the cards a second to calibrate? Turn the key to on, wait for the lights to start flashing on the cards, then start the engine. If you fail to start, turn the key off and start over. If you go from off to start, the cards will not have time to calibrate as to where atmospheric pressure is. Sounds like that could have been the problem today?

SkiZero

05-19-2008, 08:15 AM

I waited for the cards to power up and then started the car. Tomorrow, I'll wait till the cards get a chance to warm up for a few seconds and then start the car and see if that helps.

Thanks!

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-19-2008, 10:04 AM

OK, if that doesn't do the trick, go back to the previous settings and just start dropping the Green and Yellow.

SkiZero

05-20-2008, 08:02 AM

Went back to the old setting this morning and it was worse than ever. So, on my drive home, I had to nurse it all the way. All the settings were at 0. Anytime the car sensed me even pressing on the throttle a little bit, it would spit and sputter and the AFR's would immediately peg at 10.0. So, I got to thinking, lemme watch the card and see what it's doing.
Anytime I watched the card and stepped on the gas, it would bring either the B/G to 4 or the Y/B to 4. Not sure why, but it was....again, AFR's at 10.0 and I was only at 10-15 vac on the boost gauge, not even close to boost.

So, any suggestions now???

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-20-2008, 09:20 AM

For whatever reason, the card is not seeing atmospheric pressure. That is what I thought the other day when I asked if you were giving it time to calibrate at start. It probably sufffers from that compiler problem we had. The blue light should not come on unless you are in boost.

Two choices. You can send me the card and I will re-flash or I can send you a programmer, if you have a laptop with a USB port, and you can re-flash. Let me know which way you wish to proceed.

SkiZero

05-20-2008, 09:26 AM

Ok...atleast it's not totally Frak'd and it's fixable. I know the wife will like this option alot better than the alternative of having to spend a ton more money.

Yes, I have a laptop that's got several USB ports on it. I can reflash it if it's not that difficult.

Tom @ Fast Forward

05-20-2008, 09:49 AM

You have a PM.

SkiZero

05-20-2008, 09:50 AM

Replied sir.

SkiZero

06-14-2008, 06:46 PM

I must say Mr. Tom, I'm DULY impressed!! Now that everything is sorted, this car is a TOTALLY different animal! Rock solid 11.2 AFR, no lean tip in, it's absolutely outstanding! I'll post up my settings in a day or so after I can really get it dialed in!

Thanks for all the Tech spt.!

Tom @ Fast Forward

06-14-2008, 07:05 PM

I love it when a plan comes together. :)

Tom @ Fast Forward

06-14-2008, 07:34 PM

What was your original form of control before the PC-Pro?

SkiZero

06-15-2008, 04:47 PM

The car was bone stock before I installed the turbo kit from FM. I wanted this as engine management, cause I find it easier to push a + or - button v. a little tiny pot screw. Plus, now that I'm pretty confident with how it works, the simplicity of the design and P&P'ness (if that's even a word).