Progress?

[Elphaba]

:hammer: Hey Tom! I had to make a high speed run to PHX the other day. I stopped off and took a look at Elphi. Ricki said you had dropped off soome parts and were having the brackets fabbed. I added a little something myself (check out her license plate next time!) SO... any updates???:drool5:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

well, the drawings were done Tuesday night for the new bracket. I thought he was going to use the welded up "piece of art" that he made on yours but, no, he wanted the production part. ;) Anyhow, they were going to fab the first production part yesterday and maybe install today. After that it is all downhill. The hard part is done. The race is on right now as to whether I psot pictures of yours or the NC first. I hope to have pictures of the NC MP62 kit next week as well.

[Elphaba]

:taz: :gun_bandana: :2gunelf: ME! ME! ME! ME! MEEEE!!!!

[magnamx-5]

I pick elephaba as well how did it go?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I do believe that we are down to the BTB adaptor for the TPS. It is all engineered (Almost forgot how to spell that) and just needs to be machined. As most of you know, FFS is a small company and it is hard for us to bring a new product to market as fast as the other Miata vendors. I have a new coldside kit to build/ship today (we are back now to shipping within 2-3 business days from date of order :)) and then I will be off to check on Elphaba and the machine shop for the adaptor. Sadly, the TPS is totally different for the 90-93 than any of the other years. However, it should start and run without it (?) so maybe it will be running this week. The shop that is doing the install is closed on Mondays and that also throws the week off. :(

[Elphaba]

:nopity: It doesnt help that I had to replace my motor.:frown: Slowed things down a LOT:hammer: Hey Tom I should be back in town friday morning. Leeme know If things accelerate to the point of tuning this weekend or next week. I should be available.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

well, I went up to visit Elphaba today. The new bracket was done today (finally). Looks great. We have the material to make the TPS adaptor for the BTB so that should be done in a couple days as well. I think the key will turn next week. :)

[magnamx-5]

Sweet tom i think you missed out devoting time to yo yo's SC'ed miatas is your calling always was. :tongue: i am impressed with the speed of devolopement of this kit take FM for example they took what 6-7 months to develope a new kit from an old one. And they even shut down Kit production on the old kits while doing it so keep it up. Sometimes small company means better attention to detail and a better veiw on the real gaols and challenges the company faces :D

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Yeah but those people in those other (larger) companies get to sleep once in awhile too. ;)

Sweet tom i think you missed out devoting time to yo yo's SC'ed miatas is your calling always was. :tongue: i am impressed with the speed of devolopement of this kit take FM for example they took what 6-7 months to develope a new kit from an old one. And they even shut down Kit production on the old kits while doing it so keep it up. Sometimes small company means better attention to detail and a better veiw on the real gaols and challenges the company faces :D

[jwalton]

Yeah but those people in those other (larger) companies get to sleep once in awhile too. ;)

C'mon Tom, we all know that sleep is over-rated, and expensive. Why expensive? That's when we all start dreaming of larger pulleys, bigger injectors, timing control, race gas, engine swaps...

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Wow, I have those thoughts as well. I thought it was from sleep deprivation? Sounds like people get those nasty thoughts whether they sleep or not? ;)

[lovemx5]

Tom, I just did a quick budget forecast and I should be good to order the 1.6 kit in roughly 3 weeks.

Do you think that the kit will be ready to ship by then?

[Elphaba]

:oops: Not a chance if Tom keeps to his narcisistic habits of allowing himself 3-4 hours of sleep each and every night... Comon Tom! Buck up...:yawn:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Just scheduled Dan's car to be on the dyno Friday morning at 9:00AM. Shh. Don't let him know or he'll want to be there. ;)

If it works the way I expect, I would guess they will be for sale next Monday and ship two weeks after. If I get some sleep, three weeks after. You decide. ;)

[Elphaba]

OH POOP.. no DOUBLE POOP!!! I drive back to Havascrew Thursday afternoon... :dupe: Shure would have liked to have been there.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

You weren't supposed to read that. ;) We'll let you know sometime next week how it turns out. The shop has the TPS adaptors all done already. Whew. That was going to be a drag.

[Elphaba]

You weren't supposed to read that. ;) We'll let you know sometime next week how it turns out. The shop has the TPS adaptors all done already. Whew. That was going to be a drag.
A drag? Things getting better/simpler?? Whatsit? PS: [soup nazi] NO SLEEP FOR YOU!!!

[magnamx-5]

this touches my happy place :taz: :scooter: :online2long:

[lovemx5]

OK, two or three weeks; close enough for me. I can't wait to see the dyno. I'm hoping for at least 175.

[Elphaba]

this touches my happy place :taz: :scooter: :online2long::shifty: Umm... Well... OH nevermind...

[magnamx-5]

my bet is on 183 whp 147 lb/ft :D before the serius tunning begins.

[Elphaba]

HEH! This could be fun. Time for a new thread.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I almost agree that the base kit that we will go after for CARB with the other hotside kits will ~180-190WHP with the base 105mm pulley. The good news is that for non-CA cars, I have pulleys all the way to 130mm. ;)

[Elphaba]

:taz: Just ordered a 6 pack of Torco :biggrin:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Hopefully you wont need it. We'll keep your WHP low. :devil2:

[Elphaba]

Hopefully you wont need it. We'll keep your WHP low. :devil2: :taz: NOOOOO!!!:taz:

[Elphaba]

Remember the pipeling blowout a few years back and we had a REAL hard time getting gas here in the valley. If it happens again OR if I start getting ping on a 115 deg day this summer Ill have a can of Torco in the trunk. :yes: That and incase I find a 150mm pully somewhere.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I remember. That pipeline blew near my house in Tucson. Off of Silverbell and Grant.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

OK, update time. Last week we got the new production bracket for the 1.6L and, my error, it was wrong. I had to leave town and didn't get to fix it. I was there yesterday (Got Rikky to come in on his day off) and we resolved the drawing problems. I just sent the new bracket drawings off to the shop that does our bracket work and expect they will make a new one as soon as they can fit it in their schedule. More info as soon as it occurs.

[Ardilla_Loca]

OK, update time. Last week we got the new production bracket for the 1.6L and, my error, it was wrong.

Thanks for the update and the honesty. I hope everyone understands "best laid plans" and all. I work with designing things too and I understand that until it's made and tested it's not really done. Good luck!!!:cheers2:

[chuckerants]

Thanks for the update and the honesty. I hope everyone understands "best laid plans" and all. I work with designing things too and I understand that until it's made and tested it's not really done. Good luck!!!:cheers2:

I was standing next to Tom yesterday watching him and Ricci go over the bracket design. All I saw on the Solidworks program was a lot of numbers - diameters, distances, radiis, etc. Then somehow it all came together to make the bracket. It just made me wish I had more coffee. lol

[Elphaba]

:hammer: Thats a tricky bit getting Ric in on his day off! Let me know when were clost to getting it on the dyno Im in town till about the 15th give or take. Other than the bracket are all systems go?:drool5:

[magnamx-5]

damn you guys are going to drive elepha nutrs :sweatdrop:

[Elphaba]

[quote=magnamx-5;7565]damn you guys are going to drive elepha nutrs :sweatdrop:[/quote:taz: TOO LATE DUDE!!!!!!!:taz: :taz:

[magnamx-5]

damn you guys are going to drive elepha nutrs :sweatdrop::taz: TOO LATE DUDE!!!!!!!
dont feel to bad man my car has FI installed and i am still not driving it. nothing worse than 300 whp sitting in the garage and you cant use it yet :toetap05: :frown: your journey should be over soon.

[magnamx-5]

Any news? :tank:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

None at the moment. I haven't had time to get back up there. Too busy building new kits. :)

[Elphaba]

:ninja: COUGH!:biggrin:

[Mathrips]

Standard technique is to cough twice and then maybe whistle a little.

[magnamx-5]

I thought we where supposed to turn our head and then cough :rolleyes:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Then somnebody else needs to play the part of the doctor. ;)

[Elphaba]

:2guns: :saddam: ll turn my head to the left... Ill turn my head to the right:rolleyes: Ill STAND on my head! POOP! Just want my car back...( With LOTS "O" Boost):taz:

[Latch]

Eagerly awaiting results! Woo!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Just got back from the shop. The kit should be in place tomorrow. Maybe we will get to run it Saturday at the get together at the dyno. Hot dogs and burgers starting at noon.

[Elphaba]

:party: :grouphug: :party: WOOOT!!!! She better behave herself on the dyno with everybody lookin TEE HEE!!!

[magnamx-5]

I vote elepha gets a test drive before the dyno. :D he deserves it for being so patient

[lovemx5]

I vote elepha gets a test drive before the dyno. :D he deserves it for being so patient
I agree with that statement, Elphaba has been patient. It's been what - 2 1/2 months already?

I drive my miata every chance I get so I sympathize with him for not having his toy.

I hope it gets is car back soon.

As for myself, our solo season has already begun so I think that I will compete another season as is and probably get the supercharger in the fall. :surrender: It should be ready by then. ;) :driving:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, he did get to see her and touch her Saturday. :) It has been awhile. I know some companies that have been over a year just making a new/replacement turbo manifold.

[chuckerants]

Well, he did get to see her and touch her Saturday. :) It has been awhile. I know some companies that have been over a year just making a new/replacement turbo manifold.

At least FFS doesn't have to go to India to see the new parts. :)

[Elphaba]

:rolleyes: Poor Tom has been through the mill on this too. The fabricators cant seem to read ot fabricat all of a sudden. Last count the had made 8 thats EIGHT brackets not one of them correct.:svengo:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, the first bracket was my error. So, in truth, they have ONLY F'ED UP 7. :(

[Elphaba]

:toetap05: Stopped by to see Ricki the other day. Said they ordered 4 more brackets from the "the gang that couldnt shoot straight" did any of them fit?:sweatdrop:

[magnamx-5]

vacation booh :rofl: oh well to bad elepha. why they couldn't use the proto bracket i dunno i hope we get news after he comes back

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I will be up there tomorrow morning to bless it. Should be 99% done. Maybe they will test it a bit. If it runs, they can pull the belt and you could drive it for two weeks until I get back?

I promise I will make it up to you when it is done.

[magnamx-5]

tease :rofl:

[Elphaba]

If they pull the belt so I can drive it have Riccki figure out that starter issue; then Ill get it out of their hair for a while. She REALLY needs a :censored:king bath! 6 or 7 years Ive had her she's never looked worse.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I stopped by on my way out. It looked like it was missing the crossover pipe and the belt. Maybe a couple other things? But 95% anyhow.

[magnamx-5]

1 more week

[Elphaba]

:elf: Ugh. Well see. Well see.:surrender:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan,

Have you dropped by to see if it is finished?

[Elphaba]

:nono: HEY! Your suposed to be on vacation! Go get some rest and fun so youll be fresh and ready to tackel this thing when you get back :hammer: Ummm. No I havent been by. I had to get out of Phoenix on short notice to cover a sick call shift in Havasu; so, I have no idea. Wont be back in town till Friday now. First order of buisness if its running will be a a long hot bath.(for the car)

[magnamx-5]

Any news :angel: :euro:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, as of an hour or so ago I am back in Arizona. The shop is closed Sunday and Monday. I will be there Tuesday morning to see where it stands. Hopefully it is rock and roll time.

[magnamx-5]

Im glad you made it back, safe and sound.

[lovemx5]

I will be there Tuesday morning to see where it stands. Hopefully it is rock and roll time.
So? :sweatdrop: Rock and roll time? :yes: Or not? :no:

I know that I said in an earlier post that I was waiting until fall before boosting my 92 but the suspense is killing me. :svengo:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

We are scheduled to see if we can blow it up tomorrow. Shh. Don't tell dan. ;)

[Elphaba]

We are scheduled to see if we can blow it up tomorrow. Shh. Don't tell dan. ;):eek: Huh? Snort! Sorry... Was sleepin...

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It's all bolted on and starts. We will prototype a throttle cable bracket tomorrow morning and see what happens.

[Elphaba]

:taz: The test monkey lives! Any chance of dyno happenings. I might be able to make it over between 10 AM and 1130.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I should be there around then but too early for me to predict what we'll be doing. Call me then.

[bambam]

can i test drive it? :driving:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan is probably afraid to hurt your feelings. As I am not so inclined ;) NO! We know how you drive, Buck.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

IT RUNS. :)

Dyno set for Saturday morning.

Doesn't take much of a blip of the throttle to make real boost either. :)

[Elphaba]

:grouphug: What a Long strange trip its been... :censored: CK Wish I could be there Saturday. Tom! Four things: Take a camera! Posters here AND M.net are gonna wanna se the set up. 2. Post up those dynos! (if their good GRIN) 3. Remember, Ive got that JR timing thingy in the glove box Ricci thinks (says he's sure) its still hooked up. I turned it down to OFF the other day. One click relates to 1/10 deg of timing pulled PER pound of boost. So one click sould be good for 1 deg pulled at 10 psi; Base line is 12. Last: Keep Buck away from that thing!!!:2gunelf:

[lovemx5]

IT RUNS. :)
Finally some good news.

I hope that everything works out on Saturday.

I'm looking forward to see some pics and results.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It runs.

We ran out of allotted time Saturday as that is the dyno's busy day. We are going back at it Monday. Had to cut way back on the fuel. It was running way rich. Have ping above 5000 even pulling a lot of timing? It does have the wrong plugs and we will change those Monday.

Good news is that it all fits.

[BlownMX5]

Interesting... the "most ever logged on" stat at the bottom of the main page said that there were 83 users logged on this morning at 9:24 am (pacific time, I guess). As I post right now, there are 7 "guests" logged on. I wonder if there are a lot of anonymous 1.6 guys trying to find out how the status of the 1.6 blower project is going? I wouldn't be that surprised...

Pat.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

wow. The old record was 44 from last November. My guess is that you are right. Lots of 1.6L people sitting and waiting. Or lots of competitors coming to peek. ;)

[magnamx-5]

what where the preliminary numbers Tom?

[lawtuna]

wow. The old record was 44 from last November. My guess is that you are right. Lots of 1.6L people sitting and waiting. Or lots of competitors coming to peek. ;)

It's lots of 1600cc folks sitting and waiting anxiously and I'm one of them who happens to be across the Pacific in tropical Malaysia. I am heartened by the fact that my Australian neighbours have managed to fit their FFS kits onto their RHD MX5s, albeit coldside 1800cc kits. I would expect a hotside 1600cc kit ought to have no fitment issues.

I am still ambivalent about whether to go the Haltech E6X route as a full replacement ECU with a local Haltech dealer/tuner rather than the piggyback PCPro as I want to fit a variable throttle position sensor, an air temp sensor, a knock sensor and a MAP sensor so as to ditch the 1600cc flapper door AFM. I believe it ought to be able to handle the ECool fifth injector as well.

Tom, will your 1600cc kits include bigger injectors since the stock ones, even at 100% duty cycle, will certainly starve the engine at 10psi or do they simply rely on the fifth injector alone to simultaneously cool the intake charge as well as add the extra fuel? And if so, will there not be issues of uneven fuel enrichment for the four separate chambers?

Sorry about the newbie questions of which I am sure I will have lots more of in the future after some more reading; I am just a non-technical layman researching how to boost my MX5 safely via a supercharging route. Conventional air to air intercooled turbos do not quite interest me as I drive mainly in the hilly suburbs and in the stop and go traffic congested city.

Syed (waves hello to fellow MX5 enthusiasts)
Miata Tempesta (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/135058)

[magnamx-5]

I am not tom but i will answer in this one i doubt he will include bigger injectors most likely the ecool with a aux 460 or 440 cc injector will happen. FWIW i made 200 dynojet whp on stock fuel setup with my turbo,and a rrfpr and WI. A standalone is not necessary and the way tom has it set up aditional mods wont be neccesary either. Hopefully his numbers will show the 1.6 trump the 1.8 yet agian :D

[wineguy]

wow. The old record was 44 from last November. My guess is that you are right. Lots of 1.6L people sitting and waiting. Or lots of competitors coming to peek. ;)


Sorry, I'm not a compettitor... just one of the 1.6 folks fessing up to lurking & following these threads for some time. I'm truly excited by what I've read, and it's very clear to me that when it's time to make the move to FI, FFS will be my first choice. Hopefully, late next Fall or early Winter, I will be able to place an order. The forums are very informative, and most of my questions have already been asked & answered -- great job to your regular posters!

Guilty as charged...

[Elphaba]

:) Lurkers come out to play!:) Heh. To answer a few questions as Tom will be at the dyno today with Elphi. Yes, the injectors are stock and fuel is controled with a single PC-Pro. Due to the batch fired nature of the 89-93's injection, one PC-Pro on our 1.6's can control both the stock injectors AND the E cool 5th injector. Toms problem the other day was way too much fuel and some paradoxical ping above 5000 RPM and a few question marks RE: my wiring of the O2 sensors. Well see what happens today. Saturday they were very buisy at the dyno place and Tom just ran out of time. Ricci is coming in on his day off (closed Mondays) to finish up this beast! SO; no distractions. Heres hopeing. Fingers crossed, butt cheeks clamped ect.!!!:taz: Test Monkey out!!:taz:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan got it right. This 1.6L has a stock FPR and our problem was turning down the injectors as it was going very rich. Don't know about other problems but fuel will not be an issue. It does have E-Cool installed and we did confirm that the single PC-Pro easily controls everything. For the moment, we are simply pulling timing with the base timing. In the future, we will use the new timing card. They are due out any day now.

Off to the dyno with proper spark plugs in hand. More later.

[Elphaba]

:toetap05: OH Yah. Forgot those hot spark plugs. Cooler ones may help that ping.

[magnamx-5]

It's later Updates?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

You must be on the East coast. ;)

We only started at 9:30 and it's barely after 10. :)


It's later Updates?

[magnamx-5]

Of coursen i am on the east coast all fast miatas are from KY

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, we made 170WHP today but that was at ~6000 RPM and then dropped off. Back on dyno Tuesday at 10:00AM WEST COAST TIME. :) 180WHP should not be a problem.

[chuckerants]

Well, we made 170WHP today but that was at ~6000 RPM and then dropped off. Back on dyno Tuesday at 10:00AM WEST COAST TIME. :) 180WHP should not be a problem.

Woo Hoo! We'll all be waiting anxiously.

To think it's been 115 F+ and due to be 117F tomorrow.

[magnamx-5]

pretty decent power so far Tom GL man

[Elphaba]

:drool5: Just got off the phone with Tom. Its been on the dyno for about 4 hours now:hammer: He's having some odd fuel issues. Seems the ecu wants to dump in a butt load of fuel at around 5000 rpm or so. Still working on it. Not sure what pulley he's running either but I know its fairly small. The base starter pulley or whatever.

[FormerDatsun510Man]

170rwhp already is pretty darn impressive for a base 1.6 hotside IMO. Remember the power/torque is relative still to engine displacement even though you have the same size blower stuck in front of it as the with the 1.8. You have to run less pulley on the smaller 1.6 for this reason. 1597/1839 * 200rwhp = 174rwhp. So this is already performing close to a 200rwhp 1.8 setup equivalent. Since that is only at 6000rpm however, this means it is going to get very interesting with top end capability of the 1.6. It may turn out it manages the highest specific output of the blown Miata engines :).

[Elphaba]

:yes: Yup. So far so good. Im already thinking of more ways to spend money. Im thinking bigger pulley and a novel AA intercooler idea. Top secret for now.:ninja:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Not pretty and not great but it IS DOUBLE stock. :) We will be back on Friday afternoon. Hard to make power in 115F heat too. Dan doesn't know it yet but he just bought a new set of coils to replace the ones that are only 16 years old. I will pick them up Friday morning, install them and be back on the dyno Friday noon. I think the choppy stuff up top is misfires. Very reminiscent of Dave's 97. I just hope the "after" also looks as good as Dave's did. If I can stop it from falling off above 6500, I think it will fall in around 190.

http://www.FastForwardSuperchargers.com/16L-Hotside/MP62-16L.jpg

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

:yes: Yup. So far so good. Im already thinking of more ways to spend money. Im thinking bigger pulley and a novel AA intercooler idea. Top secret for now.:ninja:

Head that list with the new timing card and THEN a bigger pulley. 170 on a car that was around 85 stock is double. That is like 220 on a 110 stock 1.8L. And all we have out here is 91 octane.

[Elphaba]

:party: :party: :party: WOOOOTT!!!

[Mathrips]

Nice work!
The early miatas finally get their own.

[lovemx5]

There is nothing wrong with 170 on 91 octane. I'd be totally happy with that as a base kit.

When can I get mine? :biggrin:

[Latch]

There is nothing wrong with 170 on 91 octane. I'd be totally happy with that as a base kit.

When can I get mine? :biggrin:

What he said! I'm dying for boost since I sold my MSM. :3

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, that record didn't last long. ;)

Interesting... the "most ever logged on" stat at the bottom of the main page said that there were 83 users logged on this morning at 9:24 am (pacific time, I guess). As I post right now, there are 7 "guests" logged on. I wonder if there are a lot of anonymous 1.6 guys trying to find out how the status of the 1.6 blower project is going? I wouldn't be that surprised...

Pat.

[BlownMX5]

Who needs expensive market research when you can just look at the forum stats? The people want a 1.6 hotside!!! :taz:

Pat.

[Elphaba]

Hehhh.. Heehhhhhhh...:tongue: I DOOOD IT!!!:svengo: I stopped by ADC today to give Elphi a bath. WELL it turned out to be THREE baths and a oil change. First two "touchless" jobs just got the dust off. SOOOooo... I drove her home and did an oil/filter change then gave her a long hot (and I do mean HOT; 118 F today or so) hand scrub! WELLLLL... While driving her I noticed a few things were different from the last time I drover her with the old M45... Like control ability. Turns out anything more than 1/4 throttle gives me more acceleration AND boost than the best days with the M45 at WOT sustained!!! Keeping her streight off of turns took some real throttle modulation and restraint! DONT WORRY Tom. I never took her past 5500 RPM and only a few times hit full throttle in any RPM. Also: Im making about 10 PSI with anything over 1/2 throttle and never heard ping. Doesnt mean it isnt there; just didnt hear it. I really need to budget for a pair of new rear tires. Their fine now; but , ummm, not for long.... Zoooom shift, SQUEEK, Zooooom shift ; SQUEEK. HEH!!! Drove her agressivly but nothing close to hard and with my old stock radiator from an automatic (same vintage) NO overheating even with the AC on!!! Thats 115/118 deg F folks! Mabey more: havnt checked the weather channel today yet... IM FU:censored: KN STOKED! Cant wait to do my ultra secerete AA intercooler quad fan BIGGER PULLEY mod!!! OH.. Ummm yah.. Probably should let Tom finish this first... Umm ... Sorry... (not really):taz: TEST MONKEY OUT!!!

[Elphaba]

:seeya: PS: Tom.. Stopped by Mikes Place this morning on my way back into town. Picked a nice new battery. Its all charged up and waiting on the floor of ADC for your approval! :yes:

[Elphaba]

PSS: New Thread started om M.net...:seeya:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

You keep talking like that and people will call you an FFS 'shill'. Then where will Chuck and Magnum be?

I can't believe you took 'my' car without asking. ;)

I pick up the new coils in the morning.

[bambam]

Thats great Dan. When I was up in AZ she sure looked filthy there in the shop. I bet you are pumped!

"good things comes to good people who wait"

With Tom... well knowledge=horsepower

Sr. El Bucko
no mas diablo

[Elphaba]

You keep talking like that and people will call you an FFS 'shill'. Then where will Chuck and Magnum be?

I can't believe you took 'my' car without asking. ;)

I pick up the new coils in the morning. Back up shill #3 HOLLY FOOK!!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan,

I forgot to ask. What did you REALLY think about the ride. ;)

[Elphaba]

:offtopic: THe ride? Hummmm. Its Just for pus:censored: ys. .. Those that have never experienced the same power weight ratio as a Z-O6 cant understand. Ant that was takin it easy... My real problem is the creeking and cracking of the Austrailain "blue" polyurathane bushings that I had Mike put in 2 years ago... Taking a turn makes the old girl sound like a 100 year old woman getting out of bed.... " CREEK POP KRACK" Need to make more overtime to get back to stock bushings in the front end.. Other than that I just need more power... Foumula 1 Here I come!:taz:

[magnamx-5]

They call me a shill damn oh well i would rather be a shill than swill the bile of the other unworthy companys Tom great work so far. Let loose some 200whp fury in the arizona heat and show them how to Carb maybe still i am impressed how fast this went. GL.

[Elphaba]

:tongue: Well... The Z-06 coment WAS over the top. Im just so excited to finally be so close; not only to have some REAL HP under the hood but heck, just to almost have my car back! Taking it easy, not really romping on it, I can see the potential to spank some serious cars is their.:taz: Heh. Then come the upgrades!

[magnamx-5]

Any updates planned for monday? or will dyno time be alittle bit further away as elepha gets some mile on her?

[Elphaba]

:frown: Their closed on Sunday and Monday. Tom may or may not get back to it this week.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Wednesday.

[Elphaba]

:ninja: Might wanna pull and check those plugs. It got really really hot last time:sweatdrop: What was it? 116 Deg when we started? and went up from there?

[TucsonYellow]

I have been lurking for a while too. I just bought a 1992 Sunburst Yellow and the SC is exactly what I need. Hopefully the kinks get ironed out soon!

Phil

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Phil,

Your name is "Tucson" Yellow. Are you in Tucson? If so and you would like a free install, let me know. I would like one or two more from around the area to install for free to see how it goes. That includes dynos.

[Elphaba]

:stuart: I could buy a second car Tom!:rofl:

[TucsonYellow]

I am in Tucson Tom! I think I would be interested. Give me a ring and we can talk. .

Phil

EDIT: Phil. made note of your phone number and deleted it. Not good to put those on-line. :) You could end up with as many phone calls as I get. ;)

[Elphaba]

:flowers: Welcome to the club Phil!! Ummm. Gonna make a sugestion here. You might want to edit your post and loose the phone number... Then send Tom an email. with your number. Well have to have a 1.6 get togather when the dust settles from this development.

[magnamx-5]

i would be down but you are to far and about 2 yrs to late to snag the current mx5. maybe the next one though ;)

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Always time to change from a turbo. ;)

[bambam]

You 1.6 boys need to leave Tom alone. He has more important things to do right now like 120mm pullies and...uhhh...Pc Pro & LC-1 combo....and ...uhhh......timing cards.

Go get a JR 45 and be happy.

No I am not on the sauce!

[Elphaba]

Speaking of timing cards... Got any yet to test on Elphi?? PS: I had my schedule re-arainged for me again, so I can probably be their for the dyno tomarrow Tom. What time?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Buck, you leave them alone. I alrady have your money, now I want theirs. ;)

Dan, If we drag this out long enough we should have timing cards. Last I heard they were released to production but still no delivery date.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Oops. 9:00 Am tomorrow. It was noon but Rikki called and said the morning cancelled so we get to work in the cool of the day for a change. Should still be below 100F at 9:00 AM, I hope.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

OK. Update. We were having a problem getting air at the top RPMs. Went on a search mission today and got an RX7 AFM ($30.23) at a Pick-n-Pull yard. Boost went from 10-11 to 14-15 PSI. LOL. I guess the stock AFM is as restrictive as noted in a lot of posts on mnet. :)

Anyhow, I am now making a smaller pulley. 14-15PSI is too much boost, I think, for the 1.6L. Besdies, we seem to make the same WHP at 11 as at 15. The excess seems to simply push past his rings. Don't know if all 1.6L would be the same or not?

Here is a graph of Stock, his M45 kit and our MP62 kit.

http://www.FastForwardSuperchargers.com/16L-Hotside/91-Dan-Comparison.jpg

[magnamx-5]

tom have you tried pulling some more fuel you are way to rich i know it is seen as safer but try more like 12.3-1 up top and you should pick up some more power.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

We have 148 runs on it with fuel richer and leaner. It appears to really like rich. It is simply pushing the A/F right past the rings. It would be fun to try a tight engine. DAn bought a JDM engine to replace his first engine that the BEGi AFPR toasted. I don't think he would do that again.

As soon as I can get some timing cards in here we can put the timing back to 10* and just pull a couple degrees above 6K and that will add power. Not much more we will get out of that engine. But double stock ain't too shabby.
:party:

[Little Red Sk8board]

I've been looking at upgrading my Miata (1991) for the last year (its a daily driver with ~126k (last 50k in the last 2 years). I do however have another engine onhand to do a complete rebuild on; I still have yet to take apart and determine what needs replacing/upgrading to handle the "future" power.

Been reading up on any forced induction being donw out there, and have been leaning (lurchin' acutually) towards supercharging....and came across this thread and it really peaked my interest.

As for the name: everybody at work drives jacked-up trucks that my car could practically roll under (i guess from where they sit it looks like a skateboard).

[Elphaba]

:eek: Lordy! Thats one big dyno graph!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Let me know what you want to do. I will gladly do the install and dyno for free. The dyno shop does engine rebuilds as well.

I've been looking at upgrading my Miata (1991) for the last year (its a daily driver with ~126k (last 50k in the last 2 years). I do however have another engine onhand to do a complete rebuild on; I still have yet to take apart and determine what needs replacing/upgrading to handle the "future" power.

Been reading up on any forced induction being donw out there, and have been leaning (lurchin' acutually) towards supercharging....and came across this thread and it really peaked my interest.

As for the name: everybody at work drives jacked-up trucks that my car could practically roll under (i guess from where they sit it looks like a skateboard).

[magnamx-5]

tom i think you might have pushed abit to far dude when i had WI and stock fuel system i had no ping at 15-20 psi as i tested the WG but i made no power either. keep the boost at about 9 psi and i bet the numbers dont diminish. he only has enough fuel for the 180 or so whp it seems still this is not the horrible.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I didn't want to be accused of hiding anything. ;)

:eek: Lordy! Thats one big dyno graph!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Actually, fuel is not a problem. I could make that engine pig rich with no problem. I'll know more about his engine later today. I think the engine is just too weak for more power. However, it make 175 pretty easy. I agree about the boost on this engine. I am making a 95mm pulley to lower the boost. I wouldn't be surprised that we still make 175.

tom i think you might have pushed abit to far dude when i had WI and stock fuel system i had no ping at 15-20 psi as i tested the WG but i made no power either. keep the boost at about 9 psi and i bet the numbers dont diminish. he only has enough fuel for the 180 or so whp it seems still this is not the horrible.

[newbsauce]

I'm a bit confused about this, and help me out here since I'm more of a turbo guy:

1> Rather then claiming the 11-15 PSI jump is causing blow through, would it not be possible that your experiencing diminishing returns based on the lack of cooling in your setup? I would think this would benefit tremendously from a cheap WI setup.

2> I gotta say, I've never heard of something "liking" running rich necessarily. I too question leaning it out. The 5k RPM fuel dump is a common occurance of the miata ECU.

3> At that tune, will the motor really last or even be usable on the track??

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

1> Well, we were watching the oil get blown out the valve cover on the drivers side where the hose connects and on the passenger side where the PCV connects. That is why we believe there is a lot of blow by. We'll know more today. We have cooling in the way of E-Cool. It is proven to work quite well on MP62 Coldsides and Hotsides for 94+ (1.8L) engines. If we had a cooling issue, we would have also a ping issue and there was none. The diminishing returns, I think, are that we have crossed the threshold that the rings can resist and beyond that just blows into the crankcase. However, this is still a good engine (it IS making double stock WHP, after all) and will be just fine with a smaller crank pulley and a lot less boost.

2> When you get a chance to spend some time on a dyno with various years and models, you will find a large variation. The 01-05 Miata, for example, makes more power and runs better at ~12.5:1. The 99/00 will make more power at 11.5 to 12 and the 94-97 will actually make peak power between 11 and 11.5. Different engines like different fuel levels. Probably due to the difference in CR. Dan's 91 lost WHP as we leaned fuel. It could be a little less than it is right at the moment but, when we discovered the blow by problem, we decided to save our time and money in final tuning until we get the smaller pulley and tune to it.

3> Of course it would. What do you see wrong with that tune? If I was racing an engine on the track, I would rather see it a bit rich than lean. Worst case rich is that dip for a few RPM and that is around 10.8. I would run that in a heartbeat. However, it is easy to tune out and we will adjust when we get the proper pulley.

I'd love to see a post of your turbo graph. Please put one up in the dyno section.

I'm a bit confused about this, and help me out here since I'm more of a turbo guy:

1> Rather then claiming the 11-15 PSI jump is causing blow through, would it not be possible that your experiencing diminishing returns based on the lack of cooling in your setup? I would think this would benefit tremendously from a cheap WI setup.

2> I gotta say, I've never heard of something "liking" running rich necessarily. I too question leaning it out. The 5k RPM fuel dump is a common occurance of the miata ECU.

3> At that tune, will the motor really last or even be usable on the track??

[magnamx-5]

just for shits you might talk chuck into lending you his aquamist for a few pulls to see if it helps. couldn't hurt atleast if it does you will know where you stand indefinatly. right?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Sadly, we now know the problem. #1 cylinder is 55% leak down. Basically it is running on three cylinders. 175 on a 3 cylinder 91 Miata ain't all bad. ;)

[lovemx5]

Tom, I'm curious, how can I do a leak down check?

I'd like to know before I order just to save me some headaches.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

probably cheaper to take it to a shop. You need a set of leak test gauges. Harbor freight had a set. Don't remember the price. You also need an air compressor to maintain 100 PSI to the gauges.

[Elphaba]

Sadly, we now know the problem. #1 cylinder is 55% leak down. Basically it is running on three cylinders. 175 on a 3 cylinder 91 Miata ain't all bad. ;)
:censored: :censored: :censored: !!!! and POOP!!! What do you think Tom. Rebuild the old motor thats already out of the car or do this one?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Personally, I would throw that JDM as far as I could and rebuild the old engine. Hindsight is always 20/20 but we should have done that to begin with. We tried to save time and it bit us.

:censored: :censored: :censored: !!!! and POOP!!! What do you think Tom. Rebuild the old motor thats already out of the car or do this one?

[Elphaba]

:shifty: [SPECULATION] So with 3 of the 4 producing power and the one bad one probably putting out at least some power Im wondering what the final power output with a healthy motor would have been? Ill Start this fun little guessing game. Ummm... 195:svengo:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

My guess is 200+ with loads of torque.

[Elphaba]

Tom.Was just reading in the Garrage section of M.net. CR for the 1.6 is 9.4:1 the automatic had 9.0:1

[Elphaba]

:tongue: Not only do I have the first 1.6 MP-62 kitted Miata. I have the worlds fastest and most powerfull 3 cyl Miata!:tongue:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Lets see if we need to replace the pistons. If we do, we could just use automatic pistons.

If you wish, we could simply plug cylinder #1 and unplug the injector. ;)

[bambam]

can I drive it? :2gunelf:

Buck

[Elphaba]

:biggrin: Sure!

[magnamx-5]

i dont know elepha even when my motor turned into smoke machine i made more than 200whp i just couldn't drive it more than a few miles on due to a lack of oil capacity :rofl: still best of luck to you and tom

[99mx5]

I thought that motor was tested prior to shipping. Dan, are you covered by a warranty on that engine?

[Elphaba]

Thats a very good question. Trouble is, I dont know if its covered for forced induction development... The paperwork is in the car (Passengers side Tom) and Im 220 miles away till Sunday:frown:

[99mx5]

I saw the web site http://www.risingsunengines.com/faq

Warranty FAQ states:

"Most of what we sell (except for high performance and a few other limited applications) have a limited warranty. The warranty is for 180 calendar days from the date of purchase with unlimited mileage. The warranty covers parts only. No claims for labor, shipping or other incidental charges will be considered. Warranty is void if the unit is overheated, run out of oil, or similarly abused. The defective unit must be returned before any warranty claim can be considered. Some other conditions and limitations apply. For a full copy of our limited warranty, go to our literature page (http://www.risingsunengines.com/literature) and download a copy."

I dont think you have viotated the terms of the warranty.

[Elphaba]

Thanks 99! I beleave the motor was ordered on the 23 or so of January. SO we still have a little time to find out.:sweatdrop:

[Elphaba]

Tom will be at ADC in about 15 min he's gonna do some checking.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Yep. 23 January.

[Kyp J]

But...If they decide to honor the warranty, do they refund or give you another junk engine?

[Little Red Sk8board]

Tom, any suggestions on where to go to get my current engine leak tested (living in Queen Creek, AZ).

I too would like to find out the "health" of my engine at ~126k. Seem to run fine under normal aspiration. If its not quite up to snuff for boosting, that would give me all the more reason to commence my "standby" engine rebuild.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Right here at Arizona Dyno Chip. 54th St between Ray and Chandler. Just off 202 and I-10. Short hop for you on 202.

Tom, any suggestions on where to go to get my current engine leak tested (living in Queen Creek, AZ).

I too would like to find out the "health" of my engine at ~126k. Seem to run fine under normal aspiration. If its not quite up to snuff for boosting, that would give me all the more reason to commence my "standby" engine rebuild.

[Little Red Sk8board]

Thanks. I'm going to try and get it checked out, maybe next week.

Was there anything special done to the test engine in regards to the internals (valves, springs, crank, cams...) or are you using more or less stock internals?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Nothing done to the internals. Cams were changed but that was to get them back to stock. Head was never off.

call them for an appointment. (480) 496-8800 Keith or Rikki

[magnamx-5]

so you need to reinstall the factory cams then right?

[Elphaba]

YUP. Hope I still got em. Unfortunatly we also put in all new stuff. Oil pump timing belt and tensioner, water pump.:toetap05:

[TucsonYellow]

Damn Tom! Too bad that engine didnt hold up. I think I need to have my engine tested out too. I am knocking in 120K miles. The thing has been babied and is bone stock with immaculate service records. But it is better to be safe. I have to get the 120K service/30K service done for sure. I am also wondering about your CARB approval. How long do you expect that to take? I am moving to CA and anything I do will have to be legal there.

Phil

[TucsonYellow]

Also, I am sure I can find this out on my own...but who are the POCs for AZ Miata Clubs?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Phil,

I have been dragging my heels on CARB waiting for the kit to finish so I would know what I am doing for the manual. I think Dan's kit is finished except for a couple brackets that are prototypes that we are waiting for the production parts. So, it is time to get back to finishing the manual.

You really do need to test your engine before you install the kit. Boost will not make a weak engine stronger. :)

Not sure what POCs are but there are three clubs in AZ that I know of. Sierra Vista, Tucson and Phoenix (Sahauro Miata Club). The guys in SV seem to do the most racing and the Phoenix club is mostly drives and socializing.

http://www.sahuaromiataclub.com/ Phoenix

http://www.oldpueblomiataclub.com/ Tucson

[magnamx-5]

Very sound advice Tom Boost and more horsepower will only kill a sick motor quicker so a good checkup of the motors health is essential regardless this should be page 1 on any manual you right, i see it in alot of books on nitrous tunning etc. I always chuckle a little when i do, but then i remember that some people actualy believe boost can cure a motor of it's mechanical problems :rofl:

[TucsonYellow]

I just wanted to check in and see what the new timeline is on the 1.6 hotside development.

-Phil

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I'm ready to take orders when you guys are. $3500 plus shipping. I should have parts in here by the middle of August.

I am trying to gather parts for Chris to ship by the end of the month.

I figure I will make 10 kits to start and see where it goes. Be aware, these are power kits and a blast to drive but remember, as I said earlier, these cars/engines are getting pretty old by now and this blower will find the weak spots in your engine. A tired engine will not get better making double the WHP.

[Chris Swearingen]

I'm ready to take orders when you guys are. $3500 plus shipping. I should have parts in here by the middle of August.

I am trying to gather parts for Chris to ship by the end of the month.

I figure I will make 10 kits to start and see where it goes. Be aware, these are power kits and a blast to drive but remember, as I said earlier, these cars/engines are getting pretty old by now and this blower will find the weak spots in your engine. A tired engine will not get better making double the WHP.

Thanks!!!!! I can hardly wait.

[TucsonYellow]

I'm ready to take orders when you guys are. $3500 plus shipping. I should have parts in here by the middle of August.

I am trying to gather parts for Chris to ship by the end of the month.

I figure I will make 10 kits to start and see where it goes. Be aware, these are power kits and a blast to drive but remember, as I said earlier, these cars/engines are getting pretty old by now and this blower will find the weak spots in your engine. A tired engine will not get better making double the WHP.


Well as you know with me Tom, I have to wait for the CARB approved kit. Also, I was kind of hoping to see the final numbers on a healthy car.

[lovemx5]

Also, I was kind of hoping to see the final numbers on a healthy car.
So are we.

[Chris Swearingen]

Mines pretty healthy. Running a JRSC right now with the crank overlay, and a modified intake tract with no AFM seeing about 8.4 PSI. RWHP is around 144 at sea level, a bit less at my 6000 ft above sea level. I will have numbers very soon after receiving the parts from Tom. You guys should note that I will not be running his engine management or eCool though. I have a eManage Ultimate. I may or may not have the intercooler in by the time I hit the dyno, but will have a Snow Performance stage 1 boost cooler, spraying only water (SCCA rules prevent me from using methanol and water). I also run e-85 and 460 cc injectors. So while it will be numbers, (and I hope really good numbers) someone else will have to report the performance of the full kit.

[mageep]

Hey Chris...

I see you signed up for Topeka?!?

[Chris Swearingen]

Hey Chris...

I see you signed up for Topeka?!?

Looks like just our two Miata's so far. At least that leaves a podium spot for those Pesky Rx-7s and vettes to fight over:boxing_smiley:

Okay, maybe not, but you never know. I would have liked to have the MP62 on for the SLC pro, but that's not in the cards.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I did stop by the fabricator yesterday and see 25 sets of brackets almost finished, :)

[bambam]

can I drive it ? :driving:

[mageep]

Looks like just our two Miata's so far. At least that leaves a podium spot for those Pesky Rx-7s and vettes to fight over:boxing_smiley:

Okay, maybe not, but you never know. I would have liked to have the MP62 on for the SLC pro, but that's not in the cards.

I hear ya... Well, it'll be good to meet you. I'm hoping that they don't build courses that reward 550HP 2400 pound RX7's! :hang: But I'm not holding my breath! Tom, we'll do our best to beat ANY OTHER FI Miatas at least! :D I'd hate to have to remove my FFS vinyl for shame!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Buck,

Didn't Dan already answer that? :)

[Chris Swearingen]

can I drive it ? :driving:

IF you pay for the new set of tires I am ordering you can drive it. The current 275s have about 36 runs on them now, and I am going to the SLC pro. So baby needs new shoes for topeka.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Sorry. I thought Buck was talking about Dan's car. :)

[Chris Swearingen]

He may have been.
:santa: But he could still send the tires if he wants.:santa:

[magnamx-5]

I want some new rubber buck drive my car for me :rofl: then find me lighter wider rims 15*7 what was a thinking 225's are way to small. :D 15*8 or 15*10 with some nice wide tires is where it is at ;)

[magnamx-5]

So how many kits have sold thus far?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

We are building 25 kits for stock. Shouldn't take too long to unload those. Lots of interest but I mostly tell them to wait to order until we get them in stock.

[TucsonYellow]

Has another test car been identified for some final numbers on a good powerplant?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

No volunteers around here as yet. Dan is going to rebuild his original engine and use it again.

Caution. When buying a used engine, JDM or otherwise, be sure to check it thoroughly when you get it. If it isn't right, the best time to send it back is while it is still on the pallet.

[bambam]

No volunteers around here as yet. Dan is going to rebuild his original engine and use it again.

Caution. When buying a used engine, JDM or otherwise, be sure to check it thoroughly when you get it. If it isn't right, the best time to send it back is while it is still on the pallet.


Gosh Tom such pearls of wisdom... what made you think of that sir?

Sr. El Bucko
no mas diablo 01/04/93

[TucsonYellow]

No volunteers around here as yet. Dan is going to rebuild his original engine and use it again.

Caution. When buying a used engine, JDM or otherwise, be sure to check it thoroughly when you get it. If it isn't right, the best time to send it back is while it is still on the pallet.

Well I am patiently waiting. Of course, as stated before, I still need a CARB approved kit...

[lovemx5]

Tom, you can have my 92 to test your kit as soon as the autocross season is over (October 7th up here).

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Well, Magnuson is out of MP62 blowers so it might be awhile before we get to it again. If I could find another 'donor' local, I could maybe get Dan to let use his and replace it as soon as he has another engine ready to go. If someone nearby wants to give it a go, I will do it for $3K installed and tested.

TucsonYellow, it would only take about 2 hours to put it back to stock for emissions testing.

[netwitt]

Greetings all,

I'm pretty much a non-mechanical lurker, and I'm looking to supercharge.

But I have to ask, and I sure don't mean sound harsh, but here goes:

What is the advantage of the Fast Forward Supercharger, over the one already in production and available through Moss?

Again, I'm not being smart... I simply don't know.

Drive safely all.

don w.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The Moss 1.6L kit that I know of is the M45 kit. It uses the stock TB, has a 4 rib belt drive with manual tensioner, makes about 140WHP and costs about $2100. The FFS kit uses the MP62 Super Charger, Uses a 75mm TB, has a 6 rib independent belt drive with an auto tensioner, will make about 190WHP, includes E-Cool (5th injector) and costs $3500. Both are great kits but are aimed at different target markets.

Our kit currently tested at 175WHP but that was on Dan's engine and it is running on 3.5 cylinders. A good engine should make 190+.

[netwitt]

Thanks, Tom. Sounds like we will be getting a lot more 'bang for the buck' !

don

[TucsonYellow]

Hey Tom,

I am heading overseas on the 27th for a couple of weeks or so. If I can get up there and get a good bill of health from the shop you recommended for my 1992 before I leave then I will give you my car as the test mule for the deal you stated above. Of course the car will need a clutch. An intake and exhaust will give better numbers as well. I will give you a ring to discuss it...

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

You've got a deal. Stay in touch.

We will do the testing and install at Arizona Dyno Chip. 54th street between Chandler and Ray. Just east of I-10.

[magnamx-5]

and the plot thickens :D

[Elphaba]

Well... The motors out. Its gonna have to be rebored. Ive got ARP studs top and bottem in the mail and 1mm oversized exhaust valves coming from FM. Thinking Im not going to go with forged pistons Stock for an automatic should do. 9:1 CR instead of 9.5:1

[magnamx-5]

http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-rebuild-kits-mazda.shtml ahem cheap oe stuff Dan enjoy. I would keep it 9.5 if you are to be a test mule. the tom most likely wants a stock example of how effective his product is right? still i look forward to mor progress GL man.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Base compression will make a difference for the higher HP kits but our base kit seems to make basically the same WHP on the 94-97, 99-00 and 01-05 so I would guess it wouldn't make a significant difference for testing which compression he uses?

[magnamx-5]

I figured you might get some hate for cheating as some would say but oh well for me it is close enough.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Hell, I get hate if it is done absolutely perfect. ;-)

[magnamx-5]

Yeah but that is cause they are jealouse. Karma is a psychic yo yo sometimes it comes back hard. ;) And sometimes it smacks you in the face :rofl: :offtopic: :tongue:

[Elphaba]

http://www.rpmmachine.com/engine-rebuild-kits-mazda.shtml ahem cheap oe stuff Dan enjoy. I would keep it 9.5 if you are to be a test mule. the tom most likely wants a stock example of how effective his product is right? still i look forward to mor progress GL man. :taz: Magnamx! You da man! Ordered the rebuild parts from them this afternoon! Great prices! Im going ahead with the 9:1 auto pistons. Thanks for the tip!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I think we will drop the 105mm pulley to 95mm and lower the boost. I think we can make near the same (double stock) WHP with lower boost and 4 cylinders working.

[Elphaba]

:eek: Dont you go touchin my pulley!

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I think we will satrt with the 95 and see what happens. We can always change back up to as big as you wish.

[magnamx-5]

I think tom is on to something Dan 8 psi got me 200whp just fine. no reason it should'nt work for you as well. get a base line on the low boost, and then try the 12psi agian and impress us all with the power. GL guys

[magnamx-5]

So any progress?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Last I saw, they had his engine apart and were going to start the rebuild. That was a week ago.

[Elphaba]

I dropped off the ARP head and bottem end studs last Thursday. The head shoud be in the shop by now and the block should also be out for work but Ill check things tomarrow.

[magnamx-5]

Im gonna go out and enjoy my boosted 1.6 Dan hurry up ;) the hp is waiting :euro:

[Elphaba]

:censored: RPM took their time shipping and then shipped to my house instead of ADC :mad: Head and block should go to the machine shop on Tuesday.

[magnamx-5]

So have they made any progress?

[magnamx-5]

How bout it Dan any luck yet?

[Elphaba]

:censored: NO...

[Elphaba]

:nopity: Well. Ricci: who was spearheading the project at ADC is only working their a couple hours a night now. He got another full time job. SO; the motor and head sat on the floor for over a week. Nothing done. I stopped by last week to check and the parts were to go to the rebuilder guy back on the 7th or so. Ill be back in town on the 21st and Ill check on it then.

[magnamx-5]

So you guys giving up or is it just hitting it's second wind? ;)

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The engine is supposed to be back from the machine shop this week. Maybe next week we will be back at it?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

BTW, I just picked up 25 sets of parts to make 25 kits. Let me know when you are ready to get in the game.

What is a reasonable WHP goal for a base kit?

[Chris Swearingen]

200-225 with eCool.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

That's like 2.5 to 3 times stock.

[magnamx-5]

That's like 2.5 to 3 times stock.
So :boxing_smiley: :tank: its not like that is a bad thing ;) if tuned correctly. I think it can be done. I was doing it tell i ran out of water. I see no reason why Dan couldn't. Still i am glad to hear you guys are getting along on this.

[Chris Swearingen]

I almost agree that the base kit that we will go after for CARB with the other hotside kits will ~180-190WHP with the base 105mm pulley. The good news is that for non-CA cars, I have pulleys all the way to 130mm. ;)



That's like 2.5 to 3 times stock.

200 is just a number, but if a carbed kiit can hit 180-190 is seems like 200 shouldn't be out of reach.

[magnamx-5]

So are you guys having any luck i can see the noobs chomping at the bit on .net for news off the new mp62 1.6 stuff.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

The manual is basically done. All we need is for his car to be put back together. I have 25 sets of parts gathered. Time.

[Elphaba]

:toetap05: Just got back from ADC. Motor isnt back yet from the machine shop. Ill check again next week. As an aside Ive got my solid lifter head ; JR M-45 supercharger kit and the JR Boost Timing Controler in both the calssifides here and M-net.:nopity: Need money for the rebuild...

[magnamx-5]

Bueler anybody? How bout it guys

[Little Red Sk8board]

Been a while since I posted.....

Finally caught up with the activities since my last post.

Since the last post:

1. Wife convinced me that a new couch was needed. Ouch.:toetap05:

2. Wife convince me a new tv was needed. Double Ouch (ouch since she suggested it, double ouch since I picked out a doosie of set).

3. :nuke: Long trip to Montana in the wife's ill-fated 2003 Maxima. On the trip back, we were rear-ended on the 101 (sept 11th)....needless to say TOTALED. Feeling bruised and beaten on the wallet, didn't help that the dude that clipped the car was un-insured.

4 :santa: Wife's new car....2008 Altima (and new car payments on top if off....).

I've been better.

My "transplant engine" is finally in the teardown stages (plan to hang it on the engine stand this weekend)....will likely need advice on what I got to work with and what I'll need to do to give the little skateboard some kick.

The engine still in the car is running fine (just needed something to do in the garage). I need to still get the current engine compression and leak tested.

Still looking for another test car?:devil:

[egan]

Just registered to check this thread specifically. If I were in AZ, I'd have offered up my car as guinea pig for this in a heartbeat. As I am on the east coast, I'll just keep saving up my pennies for when this is publicly available.

[Elphaba]

The non-update update... Last week Keith, the owner, lead guy at ADC was on vacation. Motor still wasnt back. Im in Havasu till tomarrow. Ill check in on them on my way home. Keeping fingers crossed.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

When could it be here. $3K for the kit installed and heavily tested including the timing card.

Don't worry Dan, I am saving a TC for yours as well. :)


Been a while since I posted.....

Finally caught up with the activities since my last post.

Since the last post:

1. Wife convinced me that a new couch was needed. Ouch.

2. Wife convince me a new tv was needed. Double Ouch (ouch since she suggested it, double ouch since I picked out a doosie of set).

3. Long trip to Montana in the wife's ill-fated 2003 Maxima. On the trip back, we were rear-ended on the 101 (sept 11th)....needless to say TOTALED. Feeling bruised and beaten on the wallet, didn't help that the dude that clipped the car was un-insured.

4 Wife's new car....2008 Altima (and new car payments on top if off....).

I've been better.

My "transplant engine" is finally in the teardown stages (plan to hang it on the engine stand this weekend)....will likely need advice on what I got to work with and what I'll need to do to give the little skateboard some kick.

The engine still in the car is running fine (just needed something to do in the garage). I need to still get the current engine compression and leak tested.

Still looking for another test car?

[Elphaba]

:nopity: Thanks Tom but the way things are going Ill never need it. Keith at ADC called the machine shop yesterday and they arent even close to completing the rebuild...

[socal pat]

Wow Dan, you may end up being out of action as long as I was. Except in my case it was lazyness and a 105 degree garage that held things up.

[99mx5]

:nopity: Thanks Tom but the way things are going Ill never need it. Keith at ADC called the machine shop yesterday and they arent even close to completing the rebuild...


Damn, that sux. :( Sorry to hear that.

[magnamx-5]

Dan it will happen just keep hope alive and if all else fails rip some ass man GL.
BTW if you need me to fly up there and beat them into doing the work lemme know ;) :ninja:

[Elphaba]

:toetap05: Its not ADC's fault. Whenever thay actually had the parts to work on the car they have not really ever delayed. Its the Damn machine shop holding things up. TOM! Youve got mail.:)

[egan]

Tom -

I realize that testing has been slowed by lack of available mules, but any idea as to when the kit might actually be available to the public? I won't hold you to it of course, but are you thinking a few weeks, months? At least by spring?

Mike

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I am so depressed over the lack of progress on Dan's "The JDM engine from Hell". This kit should have been out and selling months ago. I am at the point that, if I knew someone that could get a good crate engine price from Mazda Comp, I'd probably just buy one and get it over with. I am also looking at the possibility of just buying a good used 90-93 Miata and building it and selling it. It will be on the market days after his engine is back together in his car. I don't know what else to do.

[Elphaba]

:frown: Yup. Its been a real bugger. Just left a message with Keith at ADC to check on the "machine shop" to see if their machining anything... Im just as depressed. Ive driven my poor car exactly once sence last March or so and that was on 3.5 cylinders. 175 hp on three cylinders.:eek::devil2: Oh yah. That was some fun. POOP!!!! I miss my car. Sometimes I see a nice Miata going down the road and think. Gee. I wish I had one O them. Then I remember... OH YAH! I DO have one (sorta) Ill let you know what Keith says.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Dan,

Evidently I can't sell the 05. If you want to use it for awhile, let me know.

[Elphaba]

:donatello: Thanks Tom but Im kind of commited to Elphi. All or nothing at this point.

[BlownMX5]

Dan,

Evidently I can't sell the 05.

It boggles the mind. Maybe you aren't asking enough for it?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

That entered my mind as well. Around here similar 2005s are going for $17 (stock 115WHP). I just wrote so much of it off on taxes, I just wanted to pass the savings along. Maybe I should raise the price to $19,900 and put it back on EBAY?

[BlownMX5]

Maybe I should raise the price to $19,900 and put it back on EBAY?

Heck, it couldn't hurt. A prospective buyer might see that $15k price and figure it must be salvaged or somehow otherwise compromised. The average person doesn't know you like we do. I'm tempted to move to Arizona just so I can buy it and drive it, but my fiancee might not be similarly motivated.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I wish we could have passed CARB for the 04/05. I have had a couple inquiries from CA about it.

[Elphaba]

:party: Got some news. Time for an new thread...:party: