Any updates on NC FI?

[registering]

Hi. I'm very impatient I know. I'm wondering if there's any tentative timeline on when a FI solution from FFS will be available for the NC? My car is 2 months old and I'm dyyyyin to forcefeed it. TIA.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

still waiting on correct 'first parts' of the new coldside intake manifold. all good things take time.

[registering]

Thanks, just anxious. :)

[cmos20]

Any Updates on the status of the project? I saw a few pics of the system on miata.net from Moss.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

When they release it, I will get one and a new 2008 Miata and see what we can do to make more power. My understanding is that it makes great power now and, like all good coldsides, is smooth to drive.

[zoom2xtn]

what is the status on the NC '06-'08 coldside?

Lee

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Nothing new at this time. Not sure what happened to it? My kit was to be a take-off on the Moss kit and they had it running months ago.

[zoom2xtn]

I just read the E-Cool thread and saw you just shipped an AT NC Coldside. CONGRATULATIONS!!

On Friday, 01/25/2008, I pickup my wife's 2008 GT PRHT AT. When the NC AT Coldside has been in the field a year or so and is so transparent the only way you know it's there is when you step on it and feel the boost, I'd like to slip one on my wife's 2008 AT if I can get someone nearby who knows how to install it. Maybe by then you'll have installers in every town of 25,000 people or more!

I have several projects on the shelf for my 2002 but am still looking for someone to do the work. The guy who was going to relocate my IAC said it seemed, after talking to you, a little too much for him to try. I'd rather him not start than get it apart and and have problems mid-install. I think I know someone else who might tackle the IAC relocation and he can complete it with ease.

Anyway, congrats on your progress.

Lee

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Sorry to burst the bubble but the automatic kit is for an NB, not NC. Sorry. No NC kits anytime soon.

[zoom2xtn]

Aw shucks!

I'm still picking up the '08 tomorrow. No boost but the top is neat. So is the AT. I think I'll enjoy shifting it with the paddles and Carla and let it do all the shifting for her.

Lee

[ThomS]

I have a friend witing for more info on 08 kits.
Any updates Tom ?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

My crystal ball has been cloudy lately but I wouldn't be surprised to see an NC MP62 Coldside for sale in January 2009.

[ThomS]

Not sure if I missed it do you know the cost for this kit ?

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

sorry, no pricing as yet.

[zoom2xtn]

Last post on this was in May 2007.

Is there any work being done on an NC coldside?

Lee

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I am wondering the same thing. We are waiting on Moss for the base system. I thought it was ready to go before Christmas? I haven't had time to follow up.

[oldtimer02]

the Moss coldside for the NCs is listed in the mew Moss Catalogue.

This must be a base kit only 186 WHP. $4600

[BlownMX5]

There is the 8 psi Cosworth kit for the NCs, it is for sale at Goodwin Racing (http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/61-0214B.html) among other places (FM too). They are claiming 262 horsepower for $5500. Not CARB approved (CARB pending).

Pat.

[99mx5]

NC coldside...

http://www.miatamania.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=78240

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Just remember, you can order that kit from me as well. Same kit, same price as Moss.

[MX-Drew]

Tom,
There seems to be serious problems with FIing a NC. The Cosworth kit has been fitted to around 30 cars and currently all are off the road. Some, that is 3 out of 3 in the UK and others around the world have broken con rods pushing them out the side of the block.

I was talking to a technician from Mazda this weekend about this problem and he thinks the Mazda (Ford) engine in the NC that has been Turboed by Mazda has also been fitted with stronger Mazdaspeed internals. He also pointed out in the so called MK3.5 (NC/FL) the crankshaft has been lightened so that could now be a weak point!

He is trying to find out more information but I have seen with my own eyes that the supplier of the Cosworth kit here in the UK (MX5Parts) do not drive their demo MK3 which has this kit fitted to and from exhibitions.

I will keep you all posted as I find out information.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

Hmm. I have it on good authority that the Moss kits are functioning just fine. Has anybody posted pictures of the pistons? Are people raising the rev limits on the Cosworth kits?

[MX-Drew]

As far as I know there is no change to the rev limit. I will see what I can do on the picture front.

In one case it was so bad the car ended up on it's roof and on fire!!
When the engine lets go the con rods come out the side of the crank case and the rest through the oil pan! this locks the back wheels and as I said in one case the car skidded sidewards fliping on a curb. The driver is a member of the UK Owners Club and to make it worse it was his wifes car!!

I don't know if the Moss kit runs at a lower boost level that the Cosworth kit, that may be the answer.

[BlownMX5]

It would seem that it's a matter of too much boost, too much timing or not enough fuel, or some combination of the three. I have heard that the 2 liter is not as robust as the 1.8 with regard to the bottom end and it's potential for boost, so it would be likely that you'd have to be more conservative. But, unless it's already running at the ragged edge naturally, you'd think it should be possible to run at least some boost without throwing rods through the block. It's hard to imagine Cosworth producing a kit that is tuned that far off?

Tom, my '07 GT is still available :biggrin:

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

I think Cosworth gives it's customers some software to allow them to 'adjust' the main ECU. That, IMHO, is mistake #1. That software allows for control of timing fuel and redline, among other things. We all know that more advance means more power, right? We all know that lean is mean for more power and, there is more power to be had as RPM increases. IMHO, this adds up to why the engines are failing. Especially the added RPM as that is great for breaking rods not designed for higher revs. In the later NC, Mazda increased the Redline BUT also increased the strength of the internals. Just a guess but they figured out that higher RPM needs stronger internals.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. It is based on "insider" information.

[MX-Drew]

I go with you on that one Tom, but all I know for sure is that Cosworth have advised owners not to use cars fitted with their kit and they have even paid for the written off car and repair to the others.

As I say, as and when I find out more I will let you all know.

[MX-Drew]

I have just found this on the Cosworth website:-

-Do not drive at sustained high speeds. Engine damage may occur.
Cosworth is not responsible for engine damage or failure.
-Excessive boost pressure will cause engine failure.
-Repeated activation of the RPM limited will cause engine damage.
The car should be driven by shifting the transmission below 6500 RPMs.

The best one:-

A reflash or adjustable engine control unit is required for your vehicle to operate correctly. Do not install the supercharger kit unless your car has a method of recalibration. Engine damage will occur.

That would suggest they don't supply any control software of fuel control !!!!!!
That does not look good to me. :no:

Tom (or anyone else) what do you make of this disclaimer?

-Superchargers add tremendous stress and wear to your engine and may cause engine failure or damage. Cosworth is not responsible for engine, vehicle or any other subsequent damage.

[MX-Drew]

Hi guys,

I have just come across this web page http://thebluemeany.blogspot.com/2009/07/where-is-your-engine-soldier-blowd-up.html

Check out the letter from Cosworth on thia page.

http://thebluemeany.blogspot.com/

I think there is something to this.

[Tom @ Fast Forward]

It is my findings that timing is more likely the culprit for detonation and lean is the culprit for melted holes. He was running 11.5 A/F so I would bet on timing.