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mageep
10-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Long story ahead:

Third trip to Nats in 4 years. First time was in STS2 (got lumped in with CSP), second trip in C Stock, then this year in SM2. I missed last year, which meant this was my first trip to the Heartland Park Topeka venue.

Let me just say that I am a BIG FAN of HPT relative to Forbes Field. Sure, there are some down sides, but on balance I think it's a positive trade.

The course layouts seem about 10% shorter, but you can actually see both courses at the same time now, versus having to catch a shuttle from course to course! :D

Here's my favorite part: The surface is a bigger factor in your performance than it had been in years past. When Nats was on concrete, you only REALLY worried about rain or no rain. Otherwise, just plan for pretty high grip levels. This pavement is much more dynamic. You CAN run too much tire, and you CAN make too much HP. It is almost as if the pavement encourages moderation; a concept that seems healthy to re-introduce to autocross!

I was very fortunate to have also met Chris Swearingen from this forum face to face. It was a real pleasure! We had a lot of fun looking at how under-prepared we both were for the class -- I had more power than Chris, but he had the 275 tire! Neither of us had THE car...

Personally, my goal going in was to finish above the basement in SM2. I've said it a thousand times, but I really felt I was bringing a knife to a gun fight. I mean, forget the relatively-speaking little things like whether you had the perfect shocks, or whether you should have run a different compound of tires for a second. I was running in a class that ended up being 16 cars, where my 2265 pound / 225WHP car was probably in the bottm 3 or 4 power-to-weight ratios for the class, along with Chris. To my left was a C5 Corvette weighing in just a tick under 2950 pounds, with pretty much all panels other than door skins and roof made of composites, and putting out "around 725 HP", according to the owner. To my right (other than Chris Swearingen) were two RX7s, both within 150 pounds of my car's weight, one of which has a LeMans 3-rotor engine, the other of which was a 2-rotor making north of 20 pounds of boost when uncorked. Estimate between 450-550 hp for those two. Most cars were running 335mm wide rear tires. :shock: There was a pair of Porsches with dropped-in high displacement motors, a C6 Z06, and several RX7s and C5 Z06s. It looked like they were prepping to film 'Fast and the Furious 4: Topeka Nights' with all the carbon fiber and massive wings!

Thank god for rain and low ambient temps!

We were first run group, and in neither Tuesday or Wednesday when we ran did the ambient temp break 60 degrees. On the first day, about 90 minutes before they launched our class, the skies opened. At 6AM a guy from our club and I were two out of maybe 8 people out walking courses. In the dark. Through puddles. With lightning occasionally showing us the path.

As 8:00 (first car off) aproached it had stopped raining for about the last 45 minutes. The only question was how much water remained on the already-slippery surface. I was surrounded by people furiously changing tires. Some going from rains to DOTs, some switching BACK to rains. I decided to stick with my 710s. My only sure decision was that, as cold as it was, whatever decision I made I was going to stick with for better or worse, just so I could get SOME temp in a set of tires - ANY tires. I think Chris subscribed to the same theory.

Well, the course was MUCH greasier than I thought, but the advise from some of the locals we have that are trophy-winners was good. Just stay ON the cones. Shortest distance. Point and shoot. So that's what I did. It was verrrry exciting to be on the ice-skating rink on V710s. I don't think I ever broke 40mph.

Meanwhile, all around me all the other 2-driver teams kept changing their tires... DOTs.. No, rains... wait, back to DOTs.

But my theory of 'stick with your decision' worked. So after day 1, I was in a very precarious 4th place, with 5th being the last trophy.

Here comes the woulda-shoulda-coulda dance.

Wednesday morning was only slightly warmer, but dry at least. I assumed that all the big sticks would be out to show me what they could do now that conditions were a little more in their wheelhouse. So I put on my 'nothing to lose' face and just went out and banzai'd every run. The course was so quick, with my 54mph second gear, I was in third and back down to second twice during the second and third runs. Nobody else had to leave second gear.

I attacked a particular slalom (more like a 3-come slalom interrupted with a Chicago box) very aggressively, thinking it was one spot where having the narrow little car would be the biggest advantage. I had nothing to lose, right?

Wrong. My raw times were closer to the big-boys than I had originally anticipated. Still off by SECONDS, but more like 1-2 seconds versus 3 or 4! I didn't know that until it was too late. I ended up smacking cones ALL THREE RUNS on Wednesday. Not the desired outcome.

At first I was pretty flippant about it, thinking 'Oh well, they had me hammered anyway. What's another 2 seconds?'.

Until the audit cart came by.

Initial reaction was 'Cool, I'm happy with 10th out of 16'. I had met my goal. Then I paused, walked back to the audited results and checked to see where I would have finished had I not coned. After all, I had only juuust hit the cone on the last 2 of the three runs -- my fastest runs. As I deducted the 2 seconds, I saw that it would have put me in 6th place. Just one out of the trophies... Even worse, I was only .15 out of that last trophy spot. I start analyzing One of the guys from our local group had the cure for my troubled mind. It came in the form of a clear corn-based liquid smelling of 110 Octane, and was served from a one-pint Mason jar. I could almost hear the banjoes in the background. Three ounces later and I was sure all I needed to do was finally get that taller rear diff ratio installed, and otherwise just come back next year. That's all.

Oh, and I need a giant fucking rear wing. :ack2:

The rest of the week (Thursday and Friday) was even more fun. We had localpeople in every one of the five heats, so I literally never left the grid area all day those two days. And as you alll know by now, our Thursday / Friday people got the job done! It was a real pleasure to be able to be there and be a small part of it.

As many of you know, the racing is only a very small fraction of the reason you go!

Enjoy some of the below pics:

Some pics of the SM2 competition:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1198/1477985193_f56fe0ae65_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1037/1477985071_a0f6cf93f6_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1218/1478843348_99884599fc_o.jpg

Dr Evol
10-05-2007, 06:21 AM
Good job Paul!

Now get the monster wing mounted and the 275 tires!

mageep
10-05-2007, 06:50 AM
Thanks bud...!

We really should catch up soon. Been too long! Lots going on to catch up about! :dots:

Chris Swearingen
10-05-2007, 08:18 AM
Below is my "trip report" from our local forums. It was great to meet everyone. I look forward to running against Paul again sometime. We should compare schedules for next year and see if we can show up at an event somewhere before nationals.

Topeka was fun. It was really wet Tuesday morning. Lots of people were running wets. I gambled that it was drying fast and stayed on the A6s. The first run I knew would be a throwaway. I was right; I spun and hit a cone. It was drying nicely by the second run, I found reasonable grip through the first sections and the turnaround. I swear that I was fully straight after the turnaround before I began to roll on the throttle. As I got to about 30% the rear end passed me and I spun, but no cone. So now I have a 61+ a cone and a 60 clean. The third run had to be very conservative so I would up at 52.064. That run should have been a 50.xx but better safe than sorry. On Wednesday the course was a little tighter, but DRY! I hit a stupid cone on the first run and had a 49.7 plus a cone. As I pulled to the line for my second run, the car was making an unusual squealing sound. It stopped about 5 feet before the starting line. I wondered what it was. As I launched it became apparent, the supercharger belt was not turning the blower. (52 and change) I got back to the grid and found an idler pulley bearing had failed and the pulley wasn’t tracking. The belt was still hanging there. I tried to get it back on, but hit all kinds of snags. The tensioner bolt had bent and snapped as I backed it off. I took a mechanical delay, and a stranger/new friend Jeff Blumenthal (THANKS AGAIN JEFF!) ran to his truck to get a replacement bolt. We got the belt back on a wobbling pulley with 30 seconds to spare. The car started and it tracked idling in grid. I had power half the way to the start, when the belt jumped again. I overdrove the third run trying to compensate for no power and would up 53 something + 1.



Lessons learned:

Don’t gamble on getting heat in slicks for the last run, use wets.

Take a co-driver and tire blankets to keep the tires warm

Stuff happens. ( I don’t know how to predict/prevent an idler bearing letting go at the worst possible moment)

I NEED MORE POWER!

Chris Swearingen
10-05-2007, 08:34 AM
One of our local guys posted this picture.

I suggested a caption contest. My best effort to date:
"Do you think the hampster is dead?"
"No, he is just sleeping"

http://www.systemstrategies.com/miata/GoMiataCrew.jpg

Tom @ Fast Forward
10-05-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm proud of all of you guys and your successes. Someday I will take up autocross. I just want one where they paint a line to show where the course is. I think they do that out Ari's way. Hard enough to drive fast without having to memorize where the course is.

Paul, congratulations on your finish.

I would think you would need a bigger wing than those to do any good at 40 MPH? :)

Serpico
10-05-2007, 01:39 PM
Way to go!!!!!!

Just so happens that the fastest guy (350Z) in our club who is always FTD also has one of those wings on the back....go figure.

Tom @ Fast Forward
10-05-2007, 01:48 PM
I wonder if the results wouldn't be the same at those speeds if you simply put a brick in the trunc that weighs the same as the wing? ;)

fourwhls
10-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Congrats Guys!

I need to make the trek out to nationals one year. I just can't convince my wife that a week of autocross is a vacation. Maybe one day.

Serpico
10-05-2007, 03:24 PM
I wonder if the results wouldn't be the same at those speeds if you simply put a brick in the trunc that weighs the same as the wing? ;)

You're probably right, but his rear wing doubles as a food & beverage tray between runs :)

I did ask him about it and he says it makes no difference at our low autocross speeds. It does help quite a bit on track days though.

Anyway, I don't think I'll be putting one of those on any time soon, but some 275 Hoosiers sure would be nice!!!

Congrats again mageep!

Race Grandpa
10-05-2007, 05:00 PM
Someday I will take up autocross. I just want one where they paint a line to show where the course is. :)

Tom,

After 6 AutoX events my wife and I gave up. The last event was the worst of the 6. We kept getting lost. Jane had 2 DNFs and I had 3 DNFs out of 7 runs.
I was so :mad: and decided not to show my face again.

If they only would paint some lines, I do not think we would not have gotten lost. New glasses will not help me as I have the Coke Bottle lenses. :

So that is why I am going to the track - before I lose my eye sight and what reflexes I have.

Have a Great Weekend :seeya:

Tom @ Fast Forward
10-05-2007, 05:20 PM
I watched several people get lost when I was with Paul in Cleveland. I thought one or more of them had the potential to take out a course corner worker. I just think they should do it for the safety of the workers if nothing else.

Besides, us OLD guys need all the help we can get. :) Do they stripe the course at nationals?

My wife thought those wings were to make it easier for the tow trucks to hook up and tow them off the track. ;)


Tom,

After 6 AutoX events my wife and I gave up. The last event was the worst of the 6. We kept getting lost. Jane had 2 DNFs and I had 3 DNFs out of 7 runs.
I was so :mad: and decided not to show my face again.

If they only would paint some lines, I do not think we would not have gotten lost. New glasses will not help me as I have the Coke Bottle lenses. :

So that is why I am going to the track - before I lose my eye sight and what reflexes I have.

Have a Great Weekend :seeya:

99mx5
10-05-2007, 06:13 PM
Sounds like fun! What size 710s you run and what wheel size?
I was fastest on 215/50-13 v710s. I went to 15 because I could use the wheels for track if I wanted to. Next year I plan to go to Hoosier 225/45-15. The Avons I have now are on their last legs.

Maybe a FFS gathering for a race or the GAP is in order :)


I missed the last FFS gathering was during a race and a surprise family visit :( Dontcha just love surprise family visits?

BTW Tom, Oct 20th is a time attack at arroyo seco motorplex... I have my 6-pack of Torco on its way :)

Tom @ Fast Forward
10-05-2007, 06:59 PM
I am s
heduled for some dyno time Tuesday. If it all looks good with the 130mm pulley on 91 octane, I'll find a way to join you at Arroyo Seco. :)

I think, in the long run, the Timing Card will be a lot cheaper than Torco. ;)

Maybe a FFS gathering for a race or the GAP is in order :)


I missed the last FFS gathering was during a race and a surprise family visit :( Dontcha just love surprise family visits?

BTW Tom, Oct 20th is a time attack at arroyo seco motorplex... I have my 6-pack of Torco on its way :)

Kyp J
10-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Tom,

After 6 AutoX events my wife and I gave up. The last event was the worst of the 6. We kept getting lost. Jane had 2 DNFs and I had 3 DNFs out of 7 runs.
I was so :mad: and decided not to show my face again.

If they only would paint some lines, I do not think we would not have gotten lost. New glasses will not help me as I have the Coke Bottle lenses. :

So that is why I am going to the track - before I lose my eye sight and what reflexes I have.

Have a Great Weekend :seeya:

In Reno they line the course with flour and one of those line makers they use for field sports. Kind of like a fertilizer spreader with a small spread. Sure makes it more fun to test your driving skills and not your memory.

In San Antonio they don't line the courses and I always get lost. Wife is about to give it up since she doen't like feeling stupid. I'm used to it. (Feeling stupid and getting lost both).

I hear Austin lines their courses but they have too many competitors and they are too far for me to drive. I get too tired and I'm old.